Ork wave prep for Spring 2013

[spaint2k]

I would like for GW to do a combined Kommando/Tank Bustas kit as well as a Warboss Big Mek kit.

I don't see any advantage to these combined kits. Wouldn't you rather see them separately?

I'm sick to death of finecast. I wish GW would let the stuff drop. I certainly won't be buying any finecast conversion kits.

[shabbadoo]

I would hope that both units continue to have very distinct looks to them, such that a combo kit would not work for thsoe two particular units.

See the Space wolf/Nid wave. Popular kits for the ranges, released as a wave without a codex release or anything else. Their own popularity as units and visual appeal drove sales.

That is not the best of comparisons, as those model releases both came on the heals of new codex releases, and many of the models were for completely new units featured for the first time in those codexes. The prospective Ork models come on the heals of only the Ork Flier and nothing else for 5 years, and the models are not based on some sort of new type of unit that people are just dying to have some sort of model for. As others said though, releasing the prospective models alongside a digital Ork codex could be a possibility. The digital codex would tie in, but wouldn't 't much of a feature unless it also has been tweaked to work within the confines of any new 6E rules structure (and of course have the Ork Flier in it). That would make the situation almost as good as an actual new codex release. Accordingly, I am very, very curious to see what GW will be doing with the digital codexes after 6E hits.

[Rick Blaine]

I don't see any advantage to these combined kits.

The advantage is that GW can make two units for the cost of one. Your other option is to have only half the units covered.

[shabbadoo]

I'd rather have one job done right rather than two half-arsed jobs.

[Rick Blaine]

We have plenty of models done right but people still complain incessantly about missing units. If GW can't win anyway, they might as well do what's optimal for them.

[Felwether]

We have plenty of models done right but people still complain incessantly about missing units. If GW can't win anyway, they might as well do what's optimal for them.

Agree completely. Plus pretty much all of the new combined kits GW have put out have been excellent.

[shabbadoo]

GW has Finecast unit upgrades to tide people over. Granted, they need more of them for certain armies. The Nobz kit could have easily been a Nobz/Flash Gits kit with the addition of some different Flash Gits front torso pieces, heads, snazzguns, and decorative bitz, but they purposely let that opportunity pass on by. So, apparently GW doing what is optimal is not always a factor. I just see Tankbustas and Kommandos having very different body styles to begin with, and while a single set of legs could be used, there would need to be two sets of torsos, heads, weapons arms, and accessories. Five combo-kit models surely could be fit on a 3-part frame though, similar to Lootas/Burnas. They could either do that, or do a 2-part sprue for each unit separately. Depends on how distinct they want the two units to be.

There are lot of kits to do beyond those listed, not to mention any new ones being drawn up, but perhaps we will get these while the others will be saved for a full-blown 6E Codex: Orks release later on.

[Stickmonkey]

The prospective Ork models come on the heals of only the Ork Flier and nothing else for 5 years, and the models are not based on some sort of new type of unit that people are just dying to have some sort of model for.

I may have fell asleep, but pretty sure there were new deffdreads, killakans, battle wagon, deffrollas, and stompas all released in that 5 year lull...all great models which have been well received...

[Theocracity]

I may have fell asleep, but pretty sure there were new deffdreads, killakans, battle wagon, deffrollas, and stompas all released in that 5 year lull...all great models which have been well received...

Plus Nobs, Stormboyz and Grots.

[RedemptionNL]

And don't forget Deffkoptas, a plastic Warboss and a cheap source for boys and nobs with Assault on Black Reach. But yeah, other than that, nothing! Well ok, a Flashgit model, Badrukk, Snikrot and Zagstrukk... but besides that, GW is bleeding the Orks dry in terms of model releases! Oh yeah, there was that Stompa too... ah never mind...

Face it, Orks has been the best supported xenos army by GW over the years.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

...people still complain incessantly about missing units. If GW can't win anyway, they might as well do what's optimal for them.

I don't think GW cares about people complaining nearly as much as they care about people going ahead and buying competitors' models to fit the gaps.

[Cheeslord]

Well, Necrons possibly set a new precedent by having the codex rules specially designed for dual use kits, then the models coming out shortly afterward. i would expect the next Ork codex to have, say, 2 new vehicles designed to use a common kit, and possibly 2 new infantry units likewise designed (the problem with the Ork codex is that its already pretty crowded, so some of the old stuff may end up dropping out to make room)

Mark.

[Felwether]

I just see Tankbustas and Kommandos having very different body styles to begin with, and while a single set of legs could be used, there would need to be two sets of torsos, heads, weapons arms, and accessories. Five combo-kit models surely could be fit on a 3-part frame though, similar to Lootas/Burnas. They could either do that, or do a 2-part sprue for each unit separately. Depends on how distinct they want the two units to be.

I see your point but I'd say the same torsos could be used for both models, sculpted bandoleers etc. for Kommandos with optional armour plates and shoulder pads to make them into Tankbustas. That in addition to different heads and weapon arms should be enough to make them suitably distinctive. Plus, if the latest Nobz kit is anything to go by, the frame could be crammed with additional accessories to further differentiate between the two units.

I'd rather see space on the frame taken up by even more optional heads/weapons rather than a second set of torsos.

[Malakai]

Plastic MegaNobz will be awesome. I can see a lot of cool warboss conversions from that.

[johno]

I'm sure new plastic meganobs will be great. Unfortunately, I really don't need any more meganobs: I need to finish painting the ones I've already got

Are Ork players who have already found a substitute for units that GW haven't made yet (whether that be old metal models, or conversions), really going to splash cash they are probably short of on new models when GW finally get around to releasing them?

johno

[Theocracity]

I'm sure new plastic meganobs will be great. Unfortunately, I really don't need any more meganobs: I need to finish painting the ones I've already got

Are Ork players who have already found a substitute for units that GW haven't made yet (whether that be old metal models, or conversions), really going to splash cash they are probably short of on new models when GW finally get around to releasing them?

johno

I think that people who are in to converting also enjoy having more bits to kitbash with. That's the only reason I bought Stormboyz, for instance. Besides, I think the people who would buy plastic Meganobs outweighs the people who have done their own good conversions.

[Kendo]

I have bought no meganobs but would do so if plastic was available. I have only plastic models in my ork army and plan on keeping it that way.

[shabbadoo]

I may have fell asleep, but pretty sure there were new deffdreads, killakans, battle wagon, deffrollas, and stompas all released in that 5 year lull...all great models which have been well received...

Well, yes, but they came on the heals of the codex and, once again, were plastic models of things that there were either no models for, or that there were no "moderately" priced models for (Battlewagon), were for new units (Killa Kans, Lootas, Burnas), were plastic renditions of other models (Gretchin, Deffdread, Stormboyz, Nobz), or were revamped plastic models (Warbikes, Wartrukk), so of course they were well received. Those kits didn't come out in a vacuum, but were anticipated after a codex release featuring them. Make it about a 3.5 to 4 year lull then.

[MajorWesJanson]

January 2008: Orks (4th edition)
*Orks - Warbikers (SP & DS)
*Orks - Trukk (TA & DS)
*Orks - Lootas/Burnas (SP)
*Orks - Tankbustas (MH)
*Orks - Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun (SP)
*Orks - Weirdboy (DT)
*Orks - Painboy (MH)
*Orks - Bomb Squigs (MH)
*Orks - Nob with WAAAGH! Banner (DT)

September 2008: Assault on Black Reach
*Space Marines - Commander
*Orks - Warboss
*Orks - Deff Koptas
*Orks - Nobz
*Space Marines - Captain (JD)

January 2009
*Orks - Nobz (SP)
*Orks - Stormboyz (MF & DT)
*Orks - Gretchin (MA)
*Orks - Battlewagon (TA, SP & DS)
*Orks - Kaptin Badrukk (MF)
*Orks - Boss Snikrot (SP)
*Orks - Boss Zagstruk (SP)

March 2009: Apocalypse Redux
*Orks - Stompa (AM, EC, BK, JM, SP & MA)
*Imperial Guard - Shadowsword/Stormlord (DS, TW & TA)
Space Wolves - Wolf Guard with Lightning Claws (JD)

March 2010
*Space Marines - Venerable Dreadnought (CG, JG & TW)
*Orks - Killa Kans (DS)
*Orks - Deff Dread (DS & SP)
Orks - Flash Git with Targeting Squig (MHo)

December 2010
Orks - Inquisitive Grots (SP)
Orks - Thieving Grots

June 2012
Space Marines - Stormtalon
Orks - Blitza-Bommer/Dakkajet/Burna-Bommer
Necrons - Doom Scythe/Night Scythe

About a 2 year lull at most.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...ne-%28Mk-II%29 by Tymell is a handy thread. Maybe it should get a sticky here or 40K general, rather than being lost in GW general?

[shabbadoo]

It is spread out a couple years more than I recalled (the 2010 Deffdread/ Killa Kan releases). The rest after 2009 are negligible. This will be a nice release of looked forward to things.