Wrath Of Iron?

[shadowhawk2008]

Oh no, people who read BL books and actually like most of them and write about it!

How dare they?!

Fixed it for you

[MiyamatoMusashi]

BTW guys, why all the Nick Kyme hate?

I don't think anyone claims to hate him. The vast majority of us have never met him, I know I never have. I have nothing against him personally.

I'd just rather dripfeed Tabasco sauce into my eye sockets than ever attempt to read one of his novels again. We're talking Eye of Argon levels of badness.

[Wyrmwood]

The thing about Nick Kyme's stories, is that I like the way he portrays some things. His Ultramarines are much better than Graham's, in my opinion, and his novels generally have a pretty weighty feel. That said, I'm not fond of them but have nothing against the man himself.

Back on topic, can't wait to read Wrath of Iron!

[Steve54]

Oh no, people who read BL books and actually like them and write about it!

How dare they?!

Nobody has said that - what people find laughable is loving EVERY BL book regardless of standard and jumping on posts criticising the sub-standard books. IMO Nick Kyme, who is by all accounts a nice guy, is a very below average author who is getting titles far outstripping his ability with the only explanation being his seniority in the BL publishing hierarchy.

[stormblade]

Nah, he isn't that bad. Boring yes, but not annoyingly amaturish nor fluff butchering.

[shadowhawk2008]

Nobody has said that - what people find laughable is loving EVERY BL book regardless of standard and jumping on posts criticising the sub-standard books.

This is really going OT but I'm compelled to ask. Who have you seen in these parts who loves "EVERY BL book regardless of standard"? And "criticisng the sub-standard books"... again who's done that to you? And sub-standard is a subjective label. What you find terrible someone else finds amazing. Its called a 'personal opinion' :-) No offence intended.

[Ragnarfan_12]

i personally liked salamander and firedrake i thought nocturne was borderline ok it barely focused on chrcters built up from other novels and i really like the SMB series but ive never really gooten into the whole iron over flesh thing is it still worth getting if your not a big iron hands fan but a big space marine one?

[shadowhawk2008]

Wrath of Iron works really well as a novel that shows you the different layers of command in an imperial army - Mechanicus, Guard, Space Marines. Even resistance fighters. Sure, three of those are there to show you the fourth, but it works just as well.

[Sqallum]

This is really going OT but I'm compelled to ask. Who have you seen in these parts who loves "EVERY BL book regardless of standard"? And "criticisng the sub-standard books"... again who's done that to you? And sub-standard is a subjective label. What you find terrible someone else finds amazing. Its called a 'personal opinion' :-) No offence intended.

I presume he means you.

Back on topic,

Julius Kaesoron is dead
Yay!!!!

[Sandlemad]

I presume he means you.

Back on topic,

Julius Kaesoron is dead
Yay!!!!

Given that

we didn't know much about the 'Big Bad' on Shardenus, he was good. The way everything was always 'Exquisite!' or 'Marvellous!', even when it him getting his skin seared with psychic lightning or whatever made me grin. Chap likes his job.

I also enjoyed how Christopher Wright didn't make him unnecessarily 'close' to the Iron Hands. No lengthy call-backs to the HH books, no shout outs to the fans. Here's someone who's been a daemon prince for longer than he was a Lord Commander. He's had a life after the heresy. And then, to the Iron Hands, he's just another piece of daemonic filth whose identity is utterly unimportant. Their hatred of him is coldly ideological, not just down to a long grudge.
It's refreshing, makes the galaxy seem a bigger place. And the 10,000 years seem longer.

[shadowhawk2008]

Its foreshadowed early on and its nice to see the "reveal". I'd been fearing that it'd be some minor character that we've seen very little of. Nice to see it was one of the big bads :-)

[Ragnarfan_12]

i am in total shock of tht omg i cant beleive hes dead...

[Sqallum]

Where was the foreshadowing? When he said 'I remember you being stronger'??? I need help mr.hawk

[shadowhawk2008]

When the Chief Librarian makes contact and finds that this is an entity they've fought before. First I thought it was a case of Kor'sarro Khan and Voldorius, but some of the other stuff Chris mentions, and which I don't remember offhand at the moment, pointed to an older connection. And that older connection could only have been the Heresy.

[Sqallum]

Thanks I thought it was a cracking book

[MajorWesJanson]

Wasn't Big K a Daemon Price though? That's how I read it, and can you really kill a daemon prince?

[CaptainSenioris]

Given the ethereal manner of his death I imagine you're right.

[DDM]

Wasn't Big K a Daemon Price though? That's how I read it, and can you really kill a daemon prince?

Not really. That's the major perk of daemonhood: you are effectively immortal. Your corporeal form can be destroyed, and you can be cast back into the Warp, but you never really die. Banishment is really more of a "time-out" than anything else. The amount of time you spend in the penalty box is determined by the conditions surrounding the act itself. So, good ol' Julius will be back, eventually.

[johnmcl7]

I did find it odd that:

a few daemonettes took down 3 Warhound titans?! That's a whole lotta rends

That made sense as it had been made clear the Warhounds had been deployed poorly and in effect sacrificed, they didn't have much room and just before the attack the lead Warhound had lost contact with the other two and running pretty much blind plus their conventional weaponry despite being very powerful was far from optimal against the warp spawned Daemonettes.

I must have been missed something in this book though as I was a bit confused with the Magos Ys, she came down to the planet absolutely furious about the loss of the three warhounds and demanding to speak to Rauth. However later on she tells Nethata (sp?) he was wrong and orders the Warlords back into battle? One of the main reasons I was initially enjoying the book was the split between the Imperial Guard and the Iron Hands which looked to get worse with the Warhounds being lost which I thought meant the battle for the spire was going to become a side event but it fizzles out completely. Did Magos Ys simply realise that Rauth was correct about pressing on so quickly? Killing the Princeps seemed pretty harsh as well given the Mechanicus can operate separately to the Space Marines and having lost three Warhounds needlessly he seemed to be quite right to hold back with the Warlords, also it's frequently claimed that a Princeps is very valuable so killing him seemed out of place.

[Goosey_J]

Nick Kyme makes Ben Counter look like a really fantastic author. And I'm not even saying that to be funny.

I feel very sorry for all the Salamander and Iron Hand fans. If it had been the Imperial Fists Kyme had chosen to butcher in his 'literary works', I'd be very upset. Thank god it wasn't.

On topic, I'm going to give Wrath of Iron a go after all of y'alls recommendations. Battle of the Fang was a good read and showed that Wraight has some promising talent as an author. Him and Sanders both have potential as the new guys