Next Imperial Armour Book - Aeronautica

[Fable]

The Nightwing is vastly improved since IA 11, and the Phoenix has gained Strafing Run but can't fire all of its weapons, and its nightfire missiles still cause pinning even though Strafing Run makes all of its shots pin anyway.

Vector Dancer alone makes both the Nightwing and Phoenix pretty spectacular. I'm a bit sad to hear that the Phoenix didn't get an updated Aerial Assault so that it could fire all 5 weapons, but c'est la vie, I've been playing it the right way on the table top since FW released their pdf.

[nigelovich]

Vector Dancer alone makes both the Nightwing and Phoenix pretty spectacular.

Agreed. The ability to zoom move and effectively pick your target and remain at long range is quite special .

[scourge66]

is the storm eagle and assault ram flyers still bias agenst blood angels? if so there might be a BA one in the works. some raven variant. why else would they limit BA and sales. now that sm have the talon, BA dont have an advantage in flyers any more.

[MajorWesJanson]

is the storm eagle and assault ram flyers still bias agenst blood angels? if so there might be a BA one in the works. some raven variant. why else would they limit BA and sales. now that sm have the talon, BA dont have an advantage in flyers any more.

BA are not meant to be advantaged in fliers. The flier they have is meant to be support of their assault/ jump troop focus.

[Cthell]

Also, forgeworld don't really try to maximise sales; they have a target market far more interested in the fluff and appearance of the models than trying to win battles through shiny new weapons (that's why they make things like the Trojan, the Arvus or the Orca)

Forgeworld will make a new blood angel flyer only when they have come up with a cool-looking model, they won't set out to make a blood angel flyer because blood angels really need one

[scourge66]

BA are not meant to be advantaged in fliers. The flier they have is meant to be support of their assault/ jump troop focus.

i did not mean that blood angles were supposed to be advantaged in fliers, only that they were in preparation for 6th and it seamed that forge world released the storm eagle and assault ram for all the sm codex as they dident have any fliers yet. this short fall filled with the talon. so now that a dedicated flyer has been released for the other SM codex. you do make a good point about it supporting jump troops but still dont get why they would still be with held them from BA?

[Noserenda]

Its karma for hording the Lucifer Rhino Engine

[nigelovich]

BA do have access to the Caestus Assault Ram but not the Storm Eagle.

[Commotionpotion]

many thanks for the information stream

I do have one question - which pieces of SM gear do CSM forces have access to? I assume they retain the ability to take Storm Eagles, but are there any other pieces available? Many thanks

[scourge66]

BA do have access to the Caestus Assault Ram but not the Storm Eagle.

ha, thanks, i might buy one now, or build one my self. i lied before, blood angels DO deserve air superiority, its in the fluff.

[Valace2]

So in essence the Thundhawk is still in no way shape or form worth it's points compared to the other new flyers, lovely.

[Alex_H]

How is the Harridan dealt with? Is it still just treated as a flying MC or does it get some new rules?

[ForceM1782]

I just want to state that i was a huge fan of the actual Aeronautica Imperialis specialized game.

And although i am happy to see some of the planes now coming back in 40k it leaves a very bitter taste for me that game is discontinued as it was much funnier to play an Aeronautica game before a 40k game to see if you can get air support for example...

Air combat in 40k sux even with the new ruleset!

[Fable]

Air combat in 40k sux even with the new ruleset!

I assume this means you haven't actually played a game using flyers because I don't think this could be further from the truth where Air superiority can win you the game, or late flyer support can cost you the game.

[Austinitor]

I hope the release of Citadel Vector Dancer units will make the air combat system for the game as a whole make sense, given it will effectively allow there to be anti-flyer oriented aircraft and those that act as bombers/transports/ground attack craft. Naturally, this new book puts FW models out ahead of those from "Grandma" in that respect.

[AndrewGPaul]

I assume this means you haven't actually played a game using flyers because I don't think this could be further from the truth where Air superiority can win you the game, or late flyer support can cost you the game.

I don't think that's what he means. In 40k, all you really get is close air support, ground attack and combat insertion. That's not really "air combat".

[nigelovich]

40K, as a tabletop warfare game, offers an abstraction of real (albeit futuristic and fictional ) life warfare, and as such it will always struggle to deliver a single aspect of warfare in isolation to everyone's satisfaction.

That said there are missions in the book that are designed to be fought between armies of flyers, and optional rules to use in those circumstances.

Personally I find games with a significant proportion of flyers to be great fun and suggest you give them a try. Rules such as vector dancer and deep strike (which the Eldar flyers have) really play a significant role and make both players really think about their turns.

[t-tauri]

Several posts removed. Thread closed. The book is out now and the thread is now only being used to fish for rules.