Where is it written that all your models get to be plastic? Even GW's beloved space marines still have resin elite choices. Also, new units are not assured or necessary. The chaos book is plenty full, even after demons were yanked. With allies back in, the chaos book gets everything again.Originally Posted by Mr. Ultra
GW could very well release both books right now, and neither army would be the worse for it.
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All the new codex releases since, when, Warhammer 6th edition?, have been accompanied with new plastic kits.
I don't really understand why you are insisting and insisting in the same tune. It really seems like you are wanting for a mediocre, poor release with a codex that is exactly the same we have now and almost no really new models. Sorry if the fans like me are waiting for something big and wonderful for our favourite army, if finally we receive many plastic kits, I will make sure that my happiness does not bother you too much.
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As an aside, this reminds me of a conversation at the local GW around mid-3rd edition. Everyone else wanted them to stop releasing plastic models as it was "ruining the game." I was the only one who wanted plastics.
Anyway, that sounds extremely spoiled. You're expecting them to release all new plastic models for existing units and add additional units that require even more models. Are you going to buy all of them? I doubt it. Several people would trade every single one of your new models just to get a pdf update that fixes their codex. I, for one, would rather they print an updated DA codex with no new models than get a dozen models that use the same terrible, generic rules.
Also, just because you feel that GW needs to produce more models, doesn't make it a requirement for updated rules, or make it a poor release. In fact, spending their resources to make an exceptionally good and balanced codex that lasts the next 5 years is a good release.
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Hold the phone, the chaos models are mostly ancient and hideous, did you notice that? Dark angels are a different case because we have newer kits and leech off of the standard marines kits. Most of those kits weren't even elites, they're mostly troops options that are needed in vast numbers. They're not like Hive Guard or techmarines that you use under five in your army. Not to mention the elites in the marine army are only finecast because people are more likely to kitbash their own assault vets or sternguard.
All the units he asked for are VERY reasonable. Chaos is kinda like eldar in terms of age model wise (though not THAT bad), but without the awesome quality. XD
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Not to mention that the DA kits are not so hot anyways. The robed bodies in particular leave something to be desired in poseability, sculpting, and molding quality (seriously,is with all the little cracks in the robes?! Fix that crap, or make a new and better kit ya jackholes!
). The kit's worst feature is that it is really just a mishmash of bits designed to be add-ons for other kits rather than are full-blown kits for a DA Vets unit all on its own, and as an add-on kit is not not much of anything special. You know, like everyone else has been getting. DA Vets kit? Please. Some people are happy to have their army get any attention at all, but the shine wears off when the deficiencies of such an upgrade kit reveal themselves over time. That being said, we must keep in mind that DA And BT were first out of the gate with such Chapter upgrade sprues (which is what the DA Vets and RW sprues are). Now GW knows a better way to do Chapter specific kits (see BA and SW kits), and knows that variant Marine Chapters really do need a little bit extra to enhance their variance, like units that only they have and miniatures sets for them (once again, see BA and SW). The development of upgrade kits with better utility( i.e. bits targeted to ONE armor type), and unique kits for the variant Chapters has been a very, very good thing, and the variant Chapter codex releases are going to be all the more interesting because of it. Consequently I am cautiously optimistic about a future C: DA 6E release, and what kits will accompany it. Apparently C: DA will be the second codex released for 6E, though that will probably be in January rather than October (which will likely be WFB: Warriors of Chaos 8E).
As to Chaos, I expect a release that is going to have people slavering and falling over, tearing at their own flesh to daub unholy symbols in blood upon their bodies as they pledge themselves to the Eightfold Path for all eternity.Really, I think the number and quality of the kits is going to leave people gobsmacked, and such attention being paid to Chaos is long, long overdue. GW has been working on the models for C: CSM for a while now, and I look forward to all of the cool new Chaos models that I will be given the opportunity to kill.
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@shabbadoo: Technically the first upgrade sprue was for Space Wolves (during 3rd edition). It was the same size as the BT sprue which came out much later. That was back before GW invested in the newer plastic mold tech which allows them to cram as many bits as possible onto the sprues.
I agree that the DA sprue is half-baked. I like the thuribles, robes, and ornaments but the shoulder pads are half finished crap. Thankfully the Ravenwing / vehicle sprue is very good despite the redundant Land Speeder bitz which now make no sense with the recut kit (save for the Ravenwing Master bitz).
My point is that GW should be keen on replacing the DA sprues with a much better, well thought-out kit. My hope is bitz for making Chaplains and Librarians (to cut down on finecast) and more emphasis on Deathwing, or just keep Deathwing on their own dedicated sprues similar to the Wolf Guard, with all weapon options.
Anyway I agree that this year may be too crowded for DA but I'd rather they get the attention they deserve next year without distracting from Codex Spikey Boyz
I am certainly praying for specific Deathwing Terminators this time, I want my DW to have the same amount of character as all the old metal ones I have (so that I can finally retire 'em except for excessively large games). If they aren't getting at least as much love as the WG terminators then I will be kind of disappointed.
As for when the DA will come out, I am conflicted. The leaked starter shows some very, very different stats on Dark Angels minis which has me thinking it will be within the year but the projected release schedule (as far as we know) is really bloody crowded. The only way I can reconcile them coming out this year is to wonder if there wont be double-stacked release (which, I wont lie, would be really weird and out of character for GW) on the month Chaos comes out or alongside WoC in October. It would just be weird to have different stats trotted out in the starter only to make people wait nearly half a year for the rest of it (and all the while confusing every newbie who buys the starter and grabs Codex: DA to find everything is different). But with all that said I just can't believe there will be a double-stacked release since such a thing hasn't occurred in a long time and we probably would have had some inkling about it by now (unless those in the know are keeping really tight-lipped on this one, or GW has really cracked down on it, but that is supposing a lot for my tastes).
So until I hear otherwise I will expect December/January for it and secretly hope it is sooner.
I figure I am signed up for enough Kickstarters and pre-orders that the wait wont be as excruciating as I think it will (my Ogre 6E box comes in December, so my time may be conflicted by then anyways...) but I hate waiting for new codices, especially when I am not altogether sure if it will occur yet (though at least Harry saying it will be number two has put me at ease a little).
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The fact that Deathwing terminators, the most feared terminators in the galaxy, and among the first pieces of fluff GW made, do not have an available kit, whilst our sempiternal rivals, the upstart Space Wolves have one is so laughable it's almost worth it.
Almost
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Death Wing Termies are in the Starter Set , that could be all you get . G.W have realised fans will fork out wonga for their favourites models even in a mixed box set. Look at ALL the folks who bought Space Hulk just to get cool B.A. Termies.As a shrewd buisiness move thats what I would do.Make the D.W Termies even better ,so amazing the D.A. fans MUST have them so they actually spend twice as much for them.Most people would know someone they could off load the Chaos stuff too ,or theres EBay.
Do you truly believe that there is any chance, any at all, that GW would release a Codex without any miniatures? AHAHAHAHA. You know the point of updating armies is to sell models, right?
Of all the threads in all the forums in all the world you had to post into this one.
don't suppose so - starter sets are made for begginers thus the quality of the miniatures is a little bit different from the normal sets. I mean now the quality is really high and minis are looking great but all in all they are the snap fit ones. In AOBR there are termies and a dreadnought which are also available as the normal sets.
I think that the deathwing terminators box will be the first to accompany the 6th edition DA dex. I really hope so.
@ Ronin_eX: I'm actually hoping for no new DA codex until next year so I'll have more time to build & paint new units. But I agree that different stat lines between codex and starter boxed set will confuzzle new players. Hopefully GW will sort this out ASAP!
@Baaltor: This is history repeating itself. Space Wolf Terminators were out in metal for quite a while (a year iirc?) before the metal Deathwing were released. Dark Angels had to wait far longer for their own book back then! (edit: during 2nd edition-- 2-3 years after Codex Space Wolves iirc).
@jackman: That would indeed be good business acumen. The longer GW holds off on a multipart Deathwing kit, the more starter boxes they will sell.
@Rick_Blaine: I think the overall point with DA is that if GW released a new codex this year with maybe one or two new kits, they could release the rest promptly next year in one (or more) waves and still leave plenty of room for Chaos Warriors, The Hobbit, etc.
Also, the Starter Box set is extremely unlikely to include all the Deathwing options available, especially the heavy weapons.
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I know the actual chances are slim, but maybe they were testing the waters with the crazy wave release thing at the beginning of the year? They knew that there were no codices so tried something new. Could also be a reason they absolutely refused to announce 6E until the last second.
In spanish version of "warhammer 40k books ONLY appears DA codex. All the others are missing, perhaps as they are going to be remade, so the only one that perhaps is not worth to change is DA?
Uk version of the webpage (in UK no codex are going to be remade)
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...ameStyle=wh40k
Then switch the country (bottom right) to "Spain".
If it doesn't appear the same webpage, simply go to warhammer 40k tab and select "LIBROS DE WARHAMMER 40.000"
You'll only see the DA one.
And even if you go to the left tab, and choose the "Codex de Warhammer 40.000" category, you'll only see (under the title: CODEX de warhammer 40.000) the same one, just DA
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-Plastic Raptors probably will not happen, they already did them in finecast and we have pre-heresy sets from Forgeworld
-Thousand sons most likely though a finecast/plastic hybrid set
-Noise Marines most likely finecast/plastic hybrid set
-We already have finecast Plague Marines and forgeworld Deathguard conversion sets
-Khorne Berserkers will probably won't be updated, apart from maybe the newer versions of the chaos backpacks and we have Khorne Berserker kits from FW
-Cult terminators sounds very much like a thing that forgeworld will cover
I have to agree with a previous poster with the fact that we won't have many plastic elites as elites don't make up the bulk of the army, which means the cult troops may not be plastic as apparently they will become elites.
Last edited by The.War.Machine; 15-07-2012 at 15:54.
So was the Hive Tyrant, and we got a plastic kit from that
And Hastings said they were coming.
Jump infantry have gotten a boost this edition with Hammer of Wrath. We have also seen a number of jump infantry get plastic kits in the last few years- Storm Boyz, Gargoyles, Scourges. I'd put Raptors pretty highly on the plastic list, as they could also include more parts for say Night lords on the sprues.
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