Compulsory Move(s) off the board ?

[knightime98]

So, a Hellpit Abom rolls triple 5's. It is very close to the table edge. It moves with triples in a random direction. It moves off the table.

The only rules that I see are listed on pg. 27, "Off the table". It simply says that units are not allowed to move off the table with the exception of fleeing or pursuing.

This is neither of these cases.

My question is what should happen here.. Is the Abom off and not to return?
or does it stop 1 inch short of going off the board..

Mind you, that this rule also applies to Mangler Squigs, fanatics, and in rare circumstances Snotling pump wagons, and Spawn..
Naturally, there certainly are even more compulsory move models.. too many to list. The idea here is to obtain a clear and concise rule
on these cases from the book that states so...

From previous editions, 7th and before, if a fanantic went off the table it was deemed to be removed from play. However, victory points would not be scored unless you killed the night goblin unit.

The rules for this issue are nefarious at best. Any clarity that can be given to this particular situation would be great..

Many thanks for those who read and supply (from the rulebook) answers to these questions.

[T10]

The rules for this issue are nefarious at best.

I think you mean "nebulous".

As far as I am aware, only units that are fleeing or pursuing are allowed to leave the table. In so far as this is correct the unit with random movement will simply stop at the table edge.

-T10

[Scalebug]

You posted it there yourself; fleeing or pursuing is the only way off the table, this is not it. What is unclear?

[Ultimate Life Form]

Strangely this is an issue that can puzzle even the most seasoned veterans. I have read battle reports from people who threw a panic when a charge would as much as much as cause a unit to touch the table edges and didn't know how to go on. Which is hardly understandable since the rules make it pretty clear that the table edges are to be treated as just another piece of impassable terrain - what's the problem here?

[knightime98]

So, what you are saying is that a fanatic will never leave the table edge (ever) because of compulsory movement.

Interesting...

The answer that I was I expecting to hear is that if a compulsory movement model leaves the table then it is removed as a casualty. Which is what I had expected to see in the rules. This falls in line with 7th edition. However, 8th edition has muddied the waters here.

Which is the reason for this post.

[Ultimate Life Form]

What's muddling the waters is that your way of thought seems to be firmly attached to 7th, which doesn't help in 8th at all.

The reason the fanatic died in 7th is not because he 'left' the table; the rerason is because the table edge was impassable terrain and Fanatics died when they made contact with terrain - problem solved (in other words it never left, it simply died).

In 8th the Fanatic's rules clearly state that it dies when it leaves the table. Which is a conundrum, since the BRB says it can't leave the table to begin with. But really this is a completely different case than a HPA which has no such rules.

[knightime98]

Well actually, the rules for the HPA does have specific rules for this very situation. I didn't think it would be addressed but it is....
Pg. 57 Skaven Army book, "Beserk Abomination Chart" (blow up box), result 2-5, "Blind Fury"...... and says, paraphasing - that if the HPA's move takes it off table that it acts as if it just pursued off the table... it comes back on in the following turn and may do nothing more...

But this lends itself to another question... When it is placed back on the board is it through the compulsory movement?... I'm thinking that you are not allowed to declare a charge on a turn in which you return to the table (as if you pursued). However, the HPA never 'declares' a charge..

You know, it may just be me, but the Skaven army (for which it is one of seven armies that I have) has several special rules for every unit. This needs to be addressed by GW...
Not every single model in the Skaven book needs a page of special rules..

I do play them very seldomly and as a result, I'm spending nearly a hour of game time looking up what happens in their book. 5 minutes for this, 5 for that... and doing it 3 or 4 times each complete turn.. Turns into a hour of looking over all the stupid special rules... You may consider this part a rant, I guess.

I'm just glad that I play with friends and that we can work through it and if all else fails 4+ my way.. or 1-3 friends way.. Which usually happens about once a game.. With Skaven it may be once a turn.. So...

I have found the answer that I have been looking for on my own accord...

[Ultimate Life Form]

The Skaven book is an absolute mess. I hate it.

I hope for a comprehensible reprint soon, even if it means knocking the power level down a few pegs. What I do is limit my army to very few choices so I can actually have a chance at knowing what my army does.

However our current dispute is pretty much solved since thankfully GW FAQ'd the clause in question out of existence. Return to the table and proceed with the game.

[Lorcryst]

I can at least answer the O&G questions ...

In the case of Mangler Squigs, it's specified in their rules that if they would connect an impassable piece of terrain or the table edge, they stop one inch before the terrain/edge.

In the case of Fanatics, if they contact an impassable piece of terrain or the table edge, they die, also specified in their rules.

Regarding VPs for Fanatics, it was always the same thing : you need to kill the parent unit to get the VPs ... Fanatics are an upgrade for Night Goblin units, their price is added to the price of the unit.