So, wheres the difference in taking 3 ravenwing melta teams to that? We're talking a similar price.
Same speed, 3 double melta teams and 3 single melta against 4 double melta. The marines have an edge in combat where they are actually effective.
If I was doing that sort of list, I'd go blood angels as the primary with 2 dw squads as an objective anchor
Yeah. In principle no problem with rw bikers. However if they do survive the BA have the advantage of being scoring.
Are 2 DW squads enough for anchoring? Probably, but this is the DeathWing thread...
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And they are far better in cc
I actually agree yours is far more competitive. Mine is more for the joy of seeing angst on your opponents face when they realize nothing in your army has less than a 2+ save.Originally Posted by Russell's teapot
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I'm lost in all these allies and stuff. Has everyone else stopped with the pure DW?
For the record, I think Sangine Guard & DW can work together, but only with BA as the 'parent' codex.
Dante
Belail
2 x sanguine guard
2 x DW
2 x melta jumpers
Support as necessary
It's a lot more aggressive than the DW version where the ASM are a disposable vanguard. In that list the point is to shove a load of 3+ & 2+ saves in peoples faces while the DeathWing hoof along behind and smash stuff when they get there. That said, I'd rather have 40 3+s than 20 3+s and 10 2+s if I'm flinging them in my opponent's face...
EDIT: LeJ - eveyone's stopped playing pure anything now. GK are the most numerous Space Marines in the Galaxy now - hadn't you heard? Oh, and necrons are everyone's best bro's!
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I think this weekend, I'm going to try out a purist DW force. We may end up playing 2k again, in which case I'm thinking of taking the following:
Belial TH/SS
Ezekiel
2x DWS w/CML, 5xTH/SS
3x DWS w/CML, 2xTH/SS
3x Typhoon
3x Dakka Predator
Comes to 1985... Can't decide whether to add 3 chainfists or 3 pintle storm bolters. Yes, really. I'm not sure the chainfists will be necessary as it's easy enough to just knock off hull points to kill a vehicle, however I don't know how else to spend the points. The list seems weak at range against TEQ - maybe swap the dakka Preds for Vindicators? Ditching the Preds and 1 speeder gets the exact amount of points needed for 3 Vindies with no upgrades.
My Chaos Project Log - ride the lightning!
I still use purist DW. I just think about other lists. like putting broadsides with DW.
@finn-i'd keep the dakka preds (with pintle) their sheer number may give youa hit or 2 against flyers.
My basic list hasn't changed since 3rd and I still use the term "Stubborn" rather than fearless
Not much point to talking lists if you don't bother trying anything new don't you think? :P Personally I just don't think there is a whole lot talk about when it comes to strictly pure lists. Not enough has really changed to make building lists in 6th fundamentally different to building pure lists in 5th. About the only difference is I wouldn't ever include a venerable dread in a pure force in 6th. With the addition of hull points being able to reroll on the pen table really doesn't matter and isn't worth the point costs. So pure deathwing in a "viable" format is just terminators loaded out with whatever you care to take and land raiders of one type or another. It just doesn't leave a whole lot of room for discussion. : \My basic list hasn't changed since 3rd and I still use the term "Stubborn" rather than fearless
@lion El Jason I feel you brother, I'm sticking with my stubborn deathwing terminators. I refuse to put some filthy xenos with my beloved terminators. I also shun the help of other space marine chapters. The 6th edition dark angels just ain't secretive anymore lol. All fun and games I hope you all have success with your armies, different strokes for different folks I guess.
Take your logic and reason elsewhere Droma! We're reminiscing here. Normal service will resume shortly...
But yes, there's a reason this isn't a 'pure' tactica. We had everything sorted by mid 4th edition, then add THSS in mid 5th (damn you aekold, I've not forgotten that!).
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Yeah, to be honest I have some predators, vindicators and landspeeders...
And a Ravenwing.
And I own some original GK terminators. And my brother plays Tau.
Its not like I don't try these things, just wondering if the purists are still here and what we're doing in 6th.
I remember Aekold coming at us with that out of nowhere!
For pure Deathwing, I think you have to run Belial w/ TH/SS, Libarian in TDA (or Ezekiel, he's Deathwing too after all), DWCS w/ 5 TH/SS, Ap, St.B and CML and as many Deathwing Squads with TH/SS and CMLs as you can fit. The reasoning is that with the new wound allocation and relative lack of mobility, you need to be able to take that 2+/3++ from any angle. Yes, there's argument for adding the extra firepower of a shooty squad, but at the end of the day, they'll die to massed AP2 firepower a lot easier than TH/SS. Pure Deathwing faces some distinct challenges in a lack of firepower and no longer being able to claim multiple objectives with a single unit. Most of the missions have a lot of objectives now, Scouring has 6! You have to be prepared to deal with that and that means fewer points available to spend on Dreadnoughts (which pretty much suck now anyway) and Land Raiders (which may be incredible if the meta shifts to S7 multi-shot weapons). So if you want a competitive tournament build that's purely Deathwing, you're stuck with fielding as many terminators as possible and shunning all the vehicles.
I'm still yet to get off the sixth mark....
I'm hoping to use a couple of lists in sixth, the classic pure mech DW list and a foot DW TH/SS/CML backed with shooty GK Terminator allies.
Putting some GK Terminators together now, they're amazing kits. Fingers crossed DW get this treatment with the new codex
Edit - Took so long posting, missed some of the previous posts. I think part (all ?) of the appeal of running a pure DW list is that it's an ever changing puzzle. How do make a limited selection of units work whenever the 40k landscape changes with a new edition or codex ?
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I'll be running mech pure & BA jumpers as allies...
Until I get my tau painted, then the sky's the limit to my cheese!
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For pure deathwing I think triple land raider, belial, 3 dw squads fits into 1750 and is still a list I want to run in 6th
@ Eric:
Belail - TLC - 130
Librarian - TDA - 145 (leaning towards sword rather than axe due to crappy invulnerable)
3 x DW - THSS, CML - 705
2 x LRC - 500
1 x LRC or LR - 250
1730.
To fill up points I'd go for PMSB, but a combi-melta on the libby wouldn't be a bad investment...
A Mech DW list is the only time I'd go for claws on Belail as he'll be able to use his initiative.
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I'm thinking of running this as my core as points increase I'll add land raiders and more deathwing. What do u guys think? I'm keen to win a game as a 12 game loss streak is kinda getting me down
Dark Angels 1000pts
HQ
Belial - 130
Librarian - 145 pts
•terminator armour
•storm bolter
• force weapon
TROOPS
5 Deathwing - 235
•TH+SS
•CML
5 Deathwing - 250
•SB+PF
•chain fist
•Assault cannon
5 Deathwing - 235
•TLC
•typhoon missile launcher
Total = 995
Yeah, looks fine. You should note that we are (nearly) all of the mindset that THSS is way to go if you're footslogging.
You'll have some really bad matchups with that list, if you're not set on a 'pure' list (looks shiftily back at the last page...) you can add predators (i'd go DAKKA, but magnetise for definate) and speeders for more bulletts to aim at you opponent.
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