6th edition FAQ on UK GW page.

[Max1mum]

House rules have been part of 40k forever and are mentioned in the rulebook, but I understand not wanting to do so.

What I can't understand is the attitude of we paid for it so it should be a quality product. The product is what it is, if you choose to buy it thenyoure accepting that level of quality!

This.
I really don't see the heartache over a poor codex. 90% of this hobby is modeling and painting. Unless you are a die-hard gamer, in that case - why would you pick up the Tau codex to begin with :P

[WokeUpDead]

House rules have been part of 40k forever and are mentioned in the rulebook, but I understand not wanting to do so.

What I can't understand is the attitude of we paid for it so it should be a quality product. The product is what it is, if you choose to buy it thenyoure accepting that level of quality!

it's really simple. go buy a new car and if it's battery dies two days later, the cdplayer eats your favorite album etc, just repeat to yourself what you told us

[Konovalev]

it's really simple. go buy a new car and if it's battery dies two days later, the cdplayer eats your favorite album etc, just repeat to yourself what you told us

Thats a weak analogy. A better analogy would be car restoration and customization. You're not simply buying the models, you're building them, painting them, converting them, and so forth.

Now you find me someone that restores or customizes vehicles who throws a fit when their vehicle has a faulty cdplayer or busted AC.

[Ghal Maraz]

And your analogy is weaker than his. Because this is a hobby made of customization.

Don't get the point, why shouldn't someone feel enabled to express disappointment and expect customer care, when he has already:

- bought 4th/5th edition Rulebook;
- bought Tau Empire Codex;
- bought an army to play with;
- built, (modelled, painted) said army;
- bought 6th edition Rulebook.

Now, I'm not saying he is guaranteed that (customer care, ie), but, in an ideal world, GW should take care of its paying customers. Just my two cents...

[WokeUpDead]

the point is simply that GW charges us premium prices not only for their minis but also for their paperwork, while others cater that for free; So if I invest hundreds of dollars/euros/whatever into their minis and into -at least two (codex+brb) books for around another 80+ euros to actually use them, yeah well.. I should have a well rounded product.
6th is a very nice tome, really worth something. my dark-eldar/necron/eldar/orks/nids etc dexes are also very nice - but even if I'd buy them completely new right now, I couldn't use them very well. hence the FAQs. and these.. sorry. compared to the high quality of the brb (speaking of rules now, not the layout) and the okay-to-good quality of codex-rules, these FAQs are really just faqed up for the most part.
-everyone- of us could have done them better, and we are for the most part no geniuses. so GW could also have done them better - with very little effort. but they have not.
and this is what ticks people off who simply expect a working product.

houserules are fine and I say "go for it". but: 2 ton of houserules is something that you can't get to work with complete strangers. drive to a nearby town, pick up a quick game? simply not possible without half an hour talk about what's okay or not; maybe if you play necrons, grey-knights or guard who all are okay even after the faqs, but everyone else: litanies of talk, and you might reach no common ground/understanding.

an -okay- FAQ for everyone while being consistant could have been so simple and we all would have a warm fuzzy feeling inside..

feels like they have gone for great things with the 6th book, only to drop the ball on the very last meter, mumbling something about "whatever..".

[samiens]

But its not really like buying a car that turns out to be faulty is it? With even minimal research you know that GW writes fun but not very technically tight games with somewhat iffy game balance. If you don't think that is worth GW prices- don't buy it! You pay for what is on sale, not for some strange idea of what you should get for that amount of money.

Now if you buy a model that can't be constructed, or a book that falls apart then im with you 100% but to be honest gw is pretty good at replacing stuff in my experience.

Anyway, this shouldn't turn into a pricing thread! Here's hoping the rumoured FAQ update mentioned at the open day comes to pass

[yabbadabba]

The whole argument about the quality of GWs rules writing has gone on for decades. Funnily enough as a whole GWs SGs have tighter rulesets yet have completely failed to capture the sales needed to warrant further promotion and investment, but that is a whole side issue. I am sorry but there is no excuse these days for picking up a new copy of WFB and 40K and expecting it to be tight, let alone seamless, much less for complaining about it. All GW will learn is that 6e 40K has sold well and a few Old Grogniards have had their regular moan.

To extend the car analogy, many years ago I had a new company car, straight out of the factory, a Peugeot estate. Within 2 weeks thew electrics had gone. At the local Peugeot dealer they were as helpful as possible but even they said that everyone who had done their research knew that Peugeot electrics were naff and likely to fail. In short, I had not done my research before ordering the car.

Let me stress again, this has been going on for decades.

As a community we have two choices; we establish those FAQ threads and get them sent off to GW on a regular basis, or we bow out. Yes we should feel free to complain about it, but we should not expect sympathy (see hangovers) or GW to change their habits.

So to end on positivity, lets stick to something I feel Warseer does best - finding those loopholes and generating FAQs in a positive community manner.

[Corporeal]

This.
I really don't see the heartache over a poor codex. 90% of this hobby is modeling and painting. Unless you are a die-hard gamer, in that case - why would you pick up the Tau codex to begin with :P

because railgun/hover tank/battle suit.

[Blink]

90% of this hobby is modeling and painting?... I REALLY beg to differ. Coming from someone who painted Aurora Borealis murals on his tanks, this is by FAR more than 10% game.

[ForgottenLore]

90% of this hobby is modeling and painting?... I REALLY beg to differ. Coming from someone who painted Aurora Borealis murals on his tanks, this is by FAR more than 10% game.

Yes.... In fact, Max1mum is saying that it is 90% of the game....?

[Zabousta]

I own Tau. It was the first army I bought for 40k. I prefer playing over painting/modelling. Tau are....a challenging army. I don't care if they are the best army and able to win every match, I just don't like seeing so many redundant rules and arguably useless characters.

I bought the army, picking it due to the look, and from what I read their play style to be. At that point in time I didn't understand enough about the game to realize the details of the rules. I saw jet packs tanks and really sweet technology. That's what sold me.

While I am very anxious for a new codex, I try not to look at it as a boost in power, but rather re-tooling the items and units in the army so there won't be so many that are long forgotten.

I started painting my army. It's going to take a while because I put about 75% effort into playing and only 25% into painting. I totally appreciate a painted model, I personally just don't want to take the time to do it...

Also...so far they play great in 6th...

[Tau_player001]

This.
I really don't see the heartache over a poor codex. 90% of this hobby is modeling and painting. Unless you are a die-hard gamer, in that case - why would you pick up the Tau codex to begin with :P

Sorry, that's just dumb. If you are a die-hard gamer you play because you enjoy the game system and most part of the time, you will play something you like. There's something called different "gameplays" of armies and one hardcore gamer can enjoy playing a shooty hit and run army, like another a heavy melee horde (like there are people on shooters who play spray and pray, and other snipers, or supports and tanks, etc etc... the gameplay the driving force of a gamer's universe). So if you enjoy the way Tau play i don't see why if you are a die-hard gamer you shouldn't WANT to be able to play them. Because it is unbalanced? Sorry, you don't understand what being a gamer means. It's ok, but not all of us are hobbyist, and while i don't really mind how you enjoy wh40k, i am pretty sure you don't have any right to tell me how i should enjoy it.

What you are talking about is competitively speaking, and actually he has the right to criticize GW if the army he plays is seriously outdated... because you know, he payed for a game and an army to be able to play it, and it isn't a low investment so GW should just do little updates for codex who are really outdated, like eldar, tau, black templars, etc, even if they are going to released on a timeline of 1 year (which for some of them, won't happen). I don't understand what bothers you exactly.

[Evohunter7]

I own Tau. It was the first army I bought for 40k. I prefer playing over painting/modelling. Tau are....a challenging army. I don't care if they are the best army and able to win every match, I just don't like seeing so many redundant rules and arguably useless characters.

I bought the army, picking it due to the look, and from what I read their play style to be. At that point in time I didn't understand enough about the game to realize the details of the rules. I saw jet packs tanks and really sweet technology. That's what sold me.

While I am very anxious for a new codex, I try not to look at it as a boost in power, but rather re-tooling the items and units in the army so there won't be so many that are long forgotten.

I totally agree, this is why I got into 40k in the first place. I collect Dark Angels, who everyone knows is due for a revamp, but I collect them and play them because I think they're cool and it's fun to model, paint and play.

[Azzy]

Look, new posts in this thread! I wonder if it's because the FAQs have been updated?

No, of course not... It's just devolved into complaints. Take it to General, guys. :/

[brassangel]

Don't pay for a product that you have complete access to hold, review, and see beforehand, then complain that you paid for it. They didn't take your money. You gave it to them.

We are less than 3 working weeks into this rules set and people are complaining about nothing; or worse, books that are ancient and not getting FAQ'd to auto-stomp Grey Knights with half the points. Chances are, if your book didn't get a lot of help, that's because it's in the pipeline (Tau, Eldar), or it's already 6th compliant (Grey Knights, Necrons, Dark Eldar).

[The Dude]

Easy fix.

Thread closed.

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