Blood Angels Tactica - 6th Edition

[blameless]

I think chucking our troos out the back of a zooming storm raven is looking like a good option now... I don't think a storm raven could afford to slow down to become an assault vehicle without risking its valuable cargo.

[CutThroatRazor]

Any thoughts on Sanguinary Guard armies in 6th? I havent picked up the the rule book yet, but I am hearing they got a boost. I hope so. I have wanted to build one for a while. I just picked up 6 boxes. Hope it wasnt a waste haha.

[Rogzor87]

Any thoughts on Sanguinary Guard armies in 6th? I havent picked up the the rule book yet, but I am hearing they got a boost. I hope so. I have wanted to build one for a while. I just picked up 6 boxes. Hope it wasnt a waste haha.

From what I been understanding Sanguinary Guard got better. Ap3 Power Weapons, Master Crafted, and a 2+ Armour Save and the possibility of FnP makes them very tough and dish out good damage.

[Gir]

Solution to Dante issue: Model him with a sword.

[WarpWhisperer]

Solution to Dante issue: Model him with a sword.

Servitor - And finally my Lord, here is your Axe Mortalis to wield in battle.
Dante - Nope that's not it. I distinctly remember it looking more swordy. Go back and get something pointer, for stabbing and stuff.

[Gir]

Servitor - And finally my Lord, here is your Axe Mortalis to wield in battle.
Dante - Nope that's not it. I distinctly remember it looking more swordy. Go back and get something pointer, for stabbing and stuff.

It's a trick. To confuse people trying to steal it.

[Compel]

I think I'm just going to cop out and be boring with my Libby. Instead of going for Shield of Sanguinius and Unleash Rage. It'll be Shield and a 'roll' on the Divination table. - Where 9 times out of 10, I'll go for the primaris power which is well, the old Unleash Rage but better.

Anyone see any problems with that idea?

[melgorth]

Don't you have to take either all codex powers or all rule book powers though, not a mix between the two?

[Frgt/10]

Don't you have to take either all codex powers or all rule book powers though, not a mix between the two?

Nope you can chop and change if you want.

[melgorth]

Ok that would be cool if it's that way but the blood angels FAQ states a librarian 'may use the psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or Telekinesis disciplines'. The generate two new powers part seems to indicate that the rule book power choices overrule the codex choices you picked when generated.

[Bartali]

BA are a funny one under 6th.

The changes to Rhinos and Razors really limits Assault Marines out of these.
The furious charge nerf has hurt jumpers who now go at I4.
DC are still junk. No forced movement, but now can't use Rhinos, jump packs are expensive and I4.
Stormravens although much improved while GW figure out who get's skyfire, still straddle that 200pt transport/gunship divide.
Sang Guard are a bit better though. The Power Weapon and FNP changes makes them more survivable to Power Weapons and Plasma.

Wouldn't know where to start now with a BA list. Assault Terminators in Ravens backed by jumpers ?

[Frgt/10]

Ok that would be cool if it's that way but the blood angels FAQ states a librarian 'may use the psychic disciplines found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook, instead of those in Codex: Blood Angels. If he does so, generate two new powers from the Biomancy, Divination, Telepathy or Telekinesis disciplines'. The generate two new powers part seems to indicate that the rule book power choices overrule the codex choices you picked when generated.

hmm good point...
not so sure about it now

[Carnage]

hmm good point...
not so sure about it now

Kinda confusing isn't it? Think about Mephiston and that rule strickly RAW. Generate 2 new powers...in exchange for his 3. So, do you only get 2 rulebook powers? Do you get 3? Do you get 2 but get to keep one of his BA codex power (aka, wings).

Some of this is worded badly.

BA are a funny one under 6th.

The changes to Rhinos and Razors really limits Assault Marines out of these.
The furious charge nerf has hurt jumpers who now go at I4.
DC are still junk. No forced movement, but now can't use Rhinos, jump packs are expensive and I4.
Stormravens although much improved while GW figure out who get's skyfire, still straddle that 200pt transport/gunship divide.
Sang Guard are a bit better though. The Power Weapon and FNP changes makes them more survivable to Power Weapons and Plasma.

Wouldn't know where to start now with a BA list. Assault Terminators in Ravens backed by jumpers ?

Welcome to my world! You seem to be on the same page as I am at least. Not really sure where to go personally. I used to play a razor/pred heavy BA list, so I've got some work to do to make it playable again and I'm not exactly sure what direction to move in.

[Frgt/10]

Kinda confusing isn't it? Think about Mephiston and that rule strickly RAW. Generate 2 new powers...in exchange for his 3. So, do you only get 2 rulebook powers? Do you get 3? Do you get 2 but get to keep one of his BA codex power (aka, wings).

Some of this is worded badly.

In terms of meph, the book overrules that problem:

p418: the psyker has a number of powers equal to his mastery level.

FAQ states meph is ML3; so therefore, 3 powers.

[Bartali]

Welcome to my world! You seem to be on the same page as I am at least. Not really sure where to go personally. I used to play a razor/pred heavy BA list, so I've got some work to do to make it playable again and I'm not exactly sure what direction to move in.

I've been wondering if *whisper it* full Tactical squads in Rhinos are the default BA troops choice now

[Blademeister]

I've been wondering if *whisper it* full Tactical squads in Rhinos are the default BA troops choice now

That's fine for me

I've been using tactical squads in rhinos for a while now.

[Deakor]

Question about how the new Reserves rule affects DoA armies (I have collected and was just about to start one).

The reserves rule says that up to half (rounding up) of your units can start the game in reserve. Characters count as units. Units that are required to start in reserve (e.g. flyers) do not count towards figuring your maximum units that can be kept in reserves.

So, let's say my army looked something like this:

HQ:

Dante

Librarian

Elites:

Sang. Guard (count as troops thanks to Dante)

Sanguinary Priest

Chaplain

Troops:

ASM x 2

D.C.

D.C. Dread

Fast Attack:

Stormraven

Vanguard Vets

By my count that is 11 "units." Of the 11 units, one (the Stormraven) has to start in reserves because it is a flyer. So I ignore the Stormraven for determining how many units can start in reserve leaving me with a total of 10, correct? So I could reserve the D.C., D.C. dread (both riding in the SR), Dante, the Sang Guard, and the Vanguard. I would have to deploy the two ASM squads, the Sang. Priest(s), the Chaplain, and the Librarian.

Am I reading and interpreting this rule correctly?

Also, including Lemartes should not affect this calculation because he is not an IC and is just bought as a unit upgrade to the D.C., correct?

Thanks!

[Frgt/10]

^^^ AFAIK everything you've just said is correct

[Deakor]

^^^ AFAIK everything you've just said is correct

Cool, thanks. Was sitting here with my codex, rulebook and FAQ flipping back and forth between them furiously trying to make sure I got it right. Wanted to consult with those wiser and more experienced than I. Appreciate the quick reply!

[blameless]

Servitor - And finally my Lord, here is your Axe Mortalis to wield in battle.
Dante - Nope that's not it. I distinctly remember it looking more swordy. Go back and get something pointer, for stabbing and stuff.

hahaha! thanks for that wee piece of hilarity!