I have recently started playing warhammer and within my warhammer group our meta seems to be 3 or more war machines on each side. I play skaven and wood elfs and find it is hard to counter these warmachines. I know which units to use to kill them I just feel that its not good enough. I use gutter runners with poison slings to hunt war machines and eagles and warhawks for WE. But this still leaves 2-3 turns minimum for the opponent to get shots in. Even with a small template war machines hit around 20 guys, and cannons can kill my grey seer and bell in 1 blow, as well as treeman! That hurts in any army. Any advice other than taking those units would be appreciated!