Chaos Dwarf Bull Centaurs

[RTB01]

Maybe forge world will do an accessories kit containing large hats?... :P

[MiyamatoMusashi]

I don't understand the comments "too big for the stats". They're S4/T5/W3, and on the same base as S5/T4/W3 Demigryphs. 50*50mm was the minimum to expect imo.

They're also A2. That'd be bad enough on 40mm...

[Metacarpi]

Can't wait to see some more detailed images - from what I've seen I'm wondering if they can be suitably "ratted up" to be Master Bred Rat Ogres (well, Rat Ogre unit fillers, as my gaming group are okay with them).

[TsukeFox]

Can't wait to see some more detailed images - from what I've seen I'm wondering if they can be suitably "ratted up" to be Master Bred Rat Ogres (well, Rat Ogre unit fillers, as my gaming group are okay with them).

Amen to that rat ogre filler units-

Amen to big hats !!

Please forge world keep up the good work, since GW is hell bent on making us pay big bucks anyway I would rather buy the product that has always kept high standards.

[Urgat]

They're also A2. That'd be bad enough on 40mm...

They are monstrous beasts or infantry are they not? If you got, say, 3, you should put one behind, that'll save some frontage and you'll retain all your attacks, unlike demigryphs.
Anyway, made up my mind, they're quite a departure from what they were before, but they're still great sculpts, so I like them. I'd just make some slope on the bases so they don't lean forward that much, if I ever got them. I like the pose but they do seem to go down too much, but that's easily fixed, really.

[Bring_Back_Chaos_Dwarfs?]

Those guys are huge. Hugely awesome.

[BlackVomit]

@Urgat: They're Monstours Beasts (unfortunately). With only 2 Strength 4 attacks, they are lacking damage output, especially considering the base size. Also, because they are Monstrous Beasts & not Monstrous Cavalry, they use spears like infantry and thus do not benefit from tthe +1 Strength on charge.

IMO they should up the Attacks to 3 or more, change the troop type to Monstrous Cavalry & replace the Spear option with Halberd. This will give then 3 Attacks @ Strength 5, with a 2+ Armour Save in combat for about 50/55 pts per model, which is comparable to other similar models (Necro Knights, Mournfangs & Demigryphs).

[MiyamatoMusashi]

They are monstrous beasts or infantry are they not? If you got, say, 3, you should put one behind, that'll save some frontage and you'll retain all your attacks, unlike demigryphs.

By "all" in this case, of course, you mean "both". :-P So you'll still get less attacks than 3 Demigryphs in the same formation.

Still, any unit with only 6 attacks total on a 100mm frontage is not up to much. IMO you need 6 BCs in a unit (two ranks of three) because with 12 attacks you might just start to achieve something... though it's still not many, hence you need either AHW (more attacks) or Great Weapon (more strength), which is why although I love these models, they desperately need different weapon options than the almost completely useless sword and board.

(I know, I know. With sword and board and armour and T5 they can be a really resilient unit, which can be useful tactically... hence "almost" completely useless. But they're almost as resilient with a better weapon loadout, and better weapons give them a chance to achieve something).

[canberraguy]

I hope they are not too big, I have been hanging out for new ones to redo my blood bowl team. No good if they are too big!

[AlphariusOmegon20]

These definitely look like 50x75 mm bases. I quite like them, although they might be a bit too bulky for my taste. Great weapons would be more interesting for sure!

You sure about that? They look like chariot bases to me...

[Grimstonefire]

Wow, having put an ungodly amount of thought into BC over many years let's see how they live up to my expectations.

I remember chatting to Mark Beford a few years back and he said they would not be taking the dwarf part into account on the size of these guys. However, these guys are absolutely massive I think. So not really at all how I pictured them.

The design itself is fine I think, just needed to be smaller. Could have done with more armour though on the bull part.

The pose is nice, but you would have to do some hefty pinning to keep them stuck down.

[Ender Shadowkin]

Love the models!, putting an order in as soon as they are up.

Don't mind the rules. I think they will work well in my list. They are fast, have a great save (including Parry), and placed with a stuborn hero can add a lot of tactical options. They are hard enough to wound that they should still win most combats. They also make the Wolf riders more of a viable unit, by being able to keep them in their anti-animosity bubble.


If I was independently wealthy I would be sorely tempted to horde them up lol. 37 S4 attacks (or s6 with great weapons) om MV7 unit...now that calls for a razor standard!

Compared to Ogres they are 10 points more, 1 less attacks, and occupy more space, but then have 1 more toughnes, 1 more move, 2 better ld, 1 better weapon skill, and 3 better armor.

I would not say they are bad at all, and think they work well in the context of their list. Time will tell though.

[BlackVomit]

Compared to Ogres they are 10 points more, 1 less attacks, and occupy more space, but then have 1 more toughnes, 1 more move, 2 better ld, 1 better weapon skill, and 3 better armor.

They're also Special not Core which makes a big difference (pity you can't take a Tau'ruk as your general & make them Core ala Throgg or at least as a BSB). They will be out of your range for Hatred most of the time.

[Cragum]

im intrigued by them little greenskins behind the necrons...

[Deaf Paradox]

im intrigued by them little greenskins behind the necrons...

Made that same mistake myself http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhamme...CHIN-CREW.html

Looking forward to these Bulls, CD army is shaping up very nicely.

[redshylock]

Anyone know if they follow the Spear (foot) rule or the Spear (mounted) rule?

[BlackVomit]

Anyone know if they follow the Spear (foot) rule or the Spear (mounted) rule?

Since they're not Monstrous Cavlary, they user the Spears (foot) rule

[Singleton Mosby]

They look quite nice. I more like the tall hat looks of the old army though. This however means I'll have to rebase my Bulls.

[anselminus]

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[Satan]

AT LAST!!! Is that really a 50x75mm base? I baulk at the price somewhat...