Libby and Draigo.... Still good?

[dough]

So after a good look through the new rules and seeing peoples comments im starting to warm up to the new rules a little altho I personally feel the rules got a tad closer to coin flip... but in general the rules look a bit complicated at first but work better once played out.

The point I want to say is about Draigo and Libby, now first off im a BA player with a secondary GK DraigoWing and wanna make both work, BA seem to have got some decent Buffs but the army composition varies.

On to DraigoWing now many many people are saying its less effective than before especially when it comes to wound allocation and honestly I think even in this respect it may have got better. Other than that considering infantry are looking much better as long as u can back the paladins with some good Anti Air I see the paladins punching holes in most "new meta" lists. Not to mention precision firing which lets you allocate on a 6 hit, nasty in my opinion when combined with psycannons.

So first things first the Libby, Ive messed around with the new psychic powers:

PYROMANCY: Weak option with few blessings on offer, Fiery form and Fire Shield but rather poor offering

TELEKINESIS: Again weak, Gate is good but risky and the rest of the lore is pretty pants

DIVINATION: OMG is this good, every power just makes the paladin soooo good! rather than just list out each power and why its good im gonna highlight some choices players will make when rolling. First off in my opinion level 3 mastery is a must! roll 3 dice and see how much of a difference it makes to 2 when your looking for a power or a combination.
Forewarning: makes your sword pallys 3++ in combat
Perfect timing: very straightforward here this just blows apart certain units
Precognition: possibly the best power of the lot but we will get to that in a bit
Misfortune: Defo has its uses but malediction powers so sometimes not worth it
Scriers gaze: Amazing with GM Outflank, almost guarantees units on turn 2 ok well theres a 1/27th chance your unit doesnt turn up and a 1/27th chance its on the side u want..... Ill take my chances
Foreboding: is ok, good against horde no doubt, but im guessing many will swap Prescience which is possibly the most ridiculous primaris power!

Right so now you know never leave home without a level 3 psyker.

On to would allocation and really the point I want to get across, and please I am new to the rules too I make mistakes so if im incorrect tell me please.

Previously when hit with a unit of say 4 melta guns, u could only allocate 1 to dragio and you prayed to the dice gods that the rest lived, not any more! 4 wounds all on dragio please, Ill take my chance with my 3++ followed by 5+ FnP which together is a 8/9 chance of cause a wound!!! if they all hit!!! I mean come on, that improved from the 4/3 chance and not to mention before 3 of those hit were on paladins pooping bricks behind trees hoping for a 4+ cover save.

Now many of your are gonna scream mate your having a laugh dragio cant be the front model for the entire game at every angle and your right but combine him and a Libby with Precognition and you can.... bare with me for a moment. So imagine you have a unit of paladins and Libby and Dragio, so deploy the unit as normal positioning dragio 2" away on one side and Libby 2" away on the other but critically Draigo and Libby 6" away from each other which is not hard you can frikken premeasure.

So when an enemy shoots bolters at dragio pass it on to the Libby on the 2+ LOSir rule, the libby will then use his 2+ save with a reroll followed by his FnP to essentially say nice try. you would need 54 wounds to cause a wound! The only weakness to the tactic is if the Libby is shot with high st ap2 weaponry, yes you can try and pass on the save to Draigo but 1 in 6 will get through and then your relying on your 5++ with a reroll and 5+ FnP unless you have forewarning which would be a 4++ which means it has a 1/6th chance of getting through so 1/36 lascannons would kill your libby..... good odds?

Great tactic obviously needing Precogniton and maybe forewarning, and youve still go a spare power!

Anyways thats my 2 cents on DragioWing atm, of course people can still say its the endo the world and all

So my question is A. are there holes in my logic? B. are you as optimistic?

[GodlessM]

Exactly where did you see people saying Draigowing will be worse, all I've seen is cries of broken. And no wound allocation is not gone, it just requires a 2+ LOS roll now.

[dough]

People are not saying worse but that the wound allocation is worse

[Freman Bloodglaive]

Except I've also seen people claiming that because Paladin are classed as characters they can fob wounds off on each other on a 4+ anyway.

[Zeroth]

Yeah I kinda had this problem today. I shot at a unit of terminators with Lysander in it. I cause 6 wounds and he puts them all on Lysander. 4 failed which means he is dead, but wait a minute, the "Look Out Sir!" rule says that even Unsaved wounds can use the rule (please tell me I got this part wrong...) so he puts one of the unsaved wounds on a terminator instead and Lysander stands there with 1 wound left. Now if you can do this with Draigo adding a FnP roll to the mix, it's gonna get messy.

[GodlessM]

You did get it wrong, he must decide what wounds to LOS before he takes the saves, not after.