Vampire Lord with the Wizarding Hat

[Spaceboy]

Hey,
Looking at the Army Special Rules page in the Vampire Counts book, it states that the army general must be a wizard and if he is able to choose a lore, he must use the Lore of Vampires. What happens if you give a Vampire Lord the Wizarding Hat enchanted item. He can no longer choose the Lore of Vampires? Does he "have" to select a lore randomly from the army book? It seems like a grey area. I would assume you could no longer use Vampires, as the item would override it and force you to choose from a random lore.

Even more confusing is if you used the Wizarding Hat with Forbidden Lore.

If he was treated as a level 2 wizard because of the hat, could you still buy an additional magic level, I don't see anywhere it says you cant and there's nothing in the FAQ.

[Thénon]

Why would you give a vamp lord a wizarding hat when an extra level and forbidden lore are cheaper?

The wizarding hat overrides any magic levels or lore the wizard takes, you would still have to randomly pick your lore. Though it is the only way your vamp can take life.

Amongst all the heroes or lords in your army with lore of vamp the one with the highest ld is your general (picking if 2 or more have equal ld).

[Spaceboy]

Why would you give a vamp lord a wizarding hat when an extra level and forbidden lore are cheaper?

Because my local GW store uses the rule that Forbidden Lore doesn't stop the Vampire from selecting the Lore of Vampires - which I don't agree with. When the FAQ comes out, I'm hoping Forbidden Lore would override selection, because it says "can generate his spells from one of the lore"... in the vampiric powers page.

[Leogun_91]

You create your vampire lord as per the normal rules, generating spells from the lore of the vampires. He is also given the wizarding hat which instead makes him a level 2 wizard using a random lore. Should the hat ever be destroyed he will no longer be a level 2 wizard using a random lore but instead a level X (X being the level you payed for) using the lore of vampires.
He can be the general as he is a wizard who choose the lore of the Vampires, the fact that a magic effect makes him unable to use the lore is irrelevant just as he would not stop being the general if he lost all his wizardlevels through a miscast.

[Ultimate Life Form]

Well, I don't have the English edition of the book so I can't check, but when it says he can use the Lores in the BRB it doesn't mean he must do so, no?

German Edition says choose BRB Lore, the Vampire 'gets/receives his spell from this Lore'. Not the best translation, but a literal one.

[Lord Dan]

Well, I don't have the English edition of the book so I can't check, but when it says he 'can' use the Lores in the BRB it doesn't mean he must do so, no?

You're not a native English speaker? I never would have guessed.

[Ultimate Life Form]

You're not a native English speaker? I never would have guessed.

I'm not sure how I should take this, I see no smilies attached...

[Lord Dan]

I'm not sure how I should take this, I see no smilies attached...

Sorry for the confusion- I was being completely sincere. I didn't know you even spoke another language, and you speak English so well that I never would have guessed that your native language is something else.

[Maoriboy007]

I'm not sure how I should take this, I see no smilies attached...

You can give snark in english with the best of us ULF

[Ultimate Life Form]

Sorry for the confusion- I was being completely sincere. I didn't know you even spoke another language, and you speak English so well that I never would have guessed that your native language is something else.

Oh, stop it, you're flattering me.

Seriously my posts are so full of mistakes that sometimes I'm ashamed of myself. I have no idea how those have slipped past you. It should at least be glaringly obvious that my comma placement is awefully awkward. My grasp on the finer points of this language is shaky at best. But I have been told (and realized) the only way to master a language is to use it and take the inevitable mistakes and misunderstandings as valuable lessons. Like in this case.

I'm always happy when I can be of help, even when sometimes it means making myself look like a fool.

[Maoriboy007]

Ha! you do about as well as some of us native english speakers, myself included (though I do hail from the colonies, might explain a bit)

[woodster17]

Ha! I love that on the internet it's assumed sarcasm unless specifically told otherwise Or at least on Warseer... Second thought ULF, your English is excellent.

Spaceboy... not really sure what kind of logic your local GW used to come to that conclusion. FL specifically states he can generate laws from every lore except life. I'm not really sure why you would want your VL to have the Lore of Life either, Lore of Vampires is pretty damn good IMO and a VL having the Lore of Life seems weird fluff wise.

[Ultimate Life Form]

Ha! I love that on the internet it's assumed sarcasm unless specifically told otherwise Or at least on Warseer...

Well I would indeed have assumed that if it wasn't for the fact that it struck me as odd that Lord Dan of all people would make such a snide remark.

[Askari]

Because my local GW store uses the rule that Forbidden Lore doesn't stop the Vampire from selecting the Lore of Vampires - which I don't agree with.

But I do agree with. A Vampire Lord can take the Lore of the Vampires, and therefore if he's the highest Ld character in the army, he indeed must take it. The Vampire army book outright states "if he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of the Vampires".

No if, no "but what if I have a Wizard Hat/Forbidden Lore", you have to take it.

[Spaceboy]

But I do agree with. A Vampire Lord can take the Lore of the Vampires, and therefore if he's the highest Ld character in the army, he indeed must take it. The Vampire army book outright states "if he is able to choose a spell lore, he must use the Lore of the Vampires".

No if, no "but what if I have a Wizard Hat/Forbidden Lore", you have to take it.

Are you missing something?
You have to choose a random lore with the wizarding hat, therefore are not able to choose a lore - it says "IF" if your able to.

[Lord Dan]

I wish I could take the Lore of Vampires with the wizarding hat...

[Urgat]

I'm not sure how I should take this, I see no smilies attached...

Ah, I got the same not long ago it can't be anything but a compliment on your English, isn't it? I gather many people are not English speakers, but we think they are. Gotta admit I thought you were one too.
Funny, I just looked at my Location, ready to write a "snide remark" at how I have written where I live so it shouldn't have happened, but in fact... I wrote the truth instead (yeah I'm at work, so what? ).

[woodster17]

Are you missing something?
You have to choose a random lore with the wizarding hat, therefore are not able to choose a lore - it says "IF" if your able to.

Actually I agree with Askari here, he's convinced me. The special rules explicitly state that your general MUST be a wizard who takes the LoV (with the highest leadership) so the wizarding hat is not a viable option to equip him with.

[draccan]

Actually I agree with Askari here, he's convinced me. The special rules explicitly state that your general MUST be a wizard who takes the LoV (with the highest leadership) so the wizarding hat is not a viable option to equip him with.

Too literal a reading in my opinion.

[Askari]

Are you missing something?
You have to choose a random lore with the wizarding hat, therefore are not able to choose a lore - it says "IF" if your able to.

Not missing anything. You're choosing to take an item which forbids you from having the Lore of the Vampires. You can always choose not to take it. Ergo you may not take a Wizarding Hat (or Forbidden Lore, for that matter) on a Vampire Lord if he's your only Vampire Lord.