FW 6th Edition Updates

[nigelovich]

And as to why Eldar Corsairs aren't Battle Bros with the Fallen Kin:

Thanks for your e-mail. Corsairs more commonly ally with Craftworld Eldar than their Kabalite kin. This is the primary reason for the difference.

Regards
Forge World

*sigh* All right then. Don't agree, but that's the way it is.

Eldar Corsairs are battle brothers with DE.

When using the Allies Matrix (page 113, Warhammer 40,000 rulebook), Eldar Corsair armies are treated as Eldar armies when both selecting allies to fight alongside them and when using them as allies for another force. The exception to this rule is that they may ally with Eldar armies as Battle Brothers.

In the Allies Matrix, CE are battle brothers with DE, so therefore so are Corsairs. Unless I'm missing something.

[nigelovich]

Edit: Double post

[Hendarion]

And as to why Eldar Corsairs aren't Battle Bros with the Fallen Kin:

Thanks for your e-mail. Corsairs more commonly ally with Craftworld Eldar than their Kabalite kin. This is the primary reason for the difference.

Regards
Forge World

*sigh* All right then. Don't agree, but that's the way it is.

And Corsairs ally less often with Dark Eldar than Craftworlds do? Eh, that doesn't make sense.
Anyway, good thing the matrix actually says something else. Why did you ask them anyway?

[Sildani]

Because I think my reading comprehension is bad. It mentioned that they consider Eldar armies to be battle brothers but gave no mention to Dark Eldar, so I thought they were excluded. I see now that clause was included so that a Corsair army - which counts as Eldar - can ally with itself, contradicting the BADAB. So now I grok it.

[Hendarion]

Funny is that they contradict their own rules though ^^

[Cthell]

Funny is that they contradict their own rules though ^^

Well, that's debatable. They are essentially saying "Corsairs have their own entry in the rulebook ally matrix, it just happens to match the Eldar entry. In addition, they are battle brothers with Eldar (Since Corsairs are not in the rulebook ally matrix)"

[Hendarion]

That's not what I mean. The answer from the e-mail basically says that Corsairs and DE aren't Battle Brothers. But according to their own PDF they are.

[sturguard]

I think the reason they aren't battle brothers is it would be too easy to pick and choose between 3 codexes, instead of 2. You already can take some dark eldar units in the Corsair list itself. Honestly I don't think Corsairs should even be able to ally with Eldar. The Corsair list give Eldar units a BS increase as well as access to Dark Eldar and new speciality troops. In exchange for those benefits you loose access to some traditional Eldar units and farseer powers. Now, you can take Corsairs as your main army with its access to some dark eldar units, get the traditional farseer and an additional traditional unit for codex Eldar.

[Cthell]

That's not what I mean. The answer from the e-mail basically says that Corsairs and DE aren't Battle Brothers. But according to their own PDF they are.

Ah, my mistake. Now I understand what you meant

[Austinitor]

As a an Eldar player (who happens to own 3 Wasps, a Voidraven Phoenix, and so far one converted Eldar-carried Missile Launcher) I like this matrix very well.

On a less personal note, the C:E book already contains one Corsair special character in it (Yriel), and likewise the 2nd edition book allowed for Pirates, so this is really just bringing things back to how they always were.

[Navar]

I think the reason they aren't battle brothers is it would be too easy to pick and choose between 3 codexes, instead of 2. You already can take some dark eldar units in the Corsair list itself. Honestly I don't think Corsairs should even be able to ally with Eldar. The Corsair list give Eldar units a BS increase as well as access to Dark Eldar and new speciality troops. In exchange for those benefits you loose access to some traditional Eldar units and farseer powers. Now, you can take Corsairs as your main army with its access to some dark eldar units, get the traditional farseer and an additional traditional unit for codex Eldar.

They are battle brothers. FW misspoke in the e-mail. The PDF is correct.

[ForgottenLore]

Probably the original question was in some way leading and the customer support guy just didn't bother to check the facts before providing a canned answer.

[Hendarion]

Same as all the other guys who answer 40k-rule-questions on the phone.

[Aryllon]

Really pleased with Bel Annath's buff.
He was interesting re: opening up the overcrowded heavy slots, but lack of doom & guide plus block on taking any other farseer kinda hurt our psychic USP. But now he's got the heavy slot bonus, new power access AND pyromancy!

He is a big win over standard farseer, imho.

[Azzy]

You should Apocalypse some time. It's really fun.

I do. And you missed the point.

[Fylen]

The forgeworld updates have recieved a new update, you can go now to see them.
There is for exemple the update for rapier...

[Cthell]

Nice to see they've fixed the clash between supersonic and Hover mode, along with a few other little things on the Vehicle update.

Nurgle Decimators are now even nicer (In fact, all the Decimators are nicer now, apart from a curious mention of a heavy conversion beamer not being able to move 72")

[Austinitor]

It looks like Corsairs didn't change.

Did they just make Eldar flyers worse, though? I thought they previously had Stealth and Shrouded; now it is just Shrouded.

[Cthell]

It looks like Corsairs didn't change.

Did they just make Eldar flyers worse, though? I thought they previously had Stealth and Shrouded; now it is just Shrouded.

They gained a 5++ in addition to shrouded, so I'd call that a plus

[Kijamon]

Ooo decimators. Bit costly, fill a slot i would prefer to use on terminators but yummy rules.

Think i might get a second and arm it with just the siege claws. 2d6 heavy flamer hits for embarked troops but only 2 attacks at s10 with reroll to pen. Should hurt a landraider a wee bit though!

I play death guard so i think i lucked out