Best/Worst special character (fluff and gaming)

[TheDungen]

I'll just ignore ingame cause i never play with SC i wouldnt know.

Best: Alith Anar.

Worst: That dwarf with the Anvil of doom.

I dont see peoples problem with grimgor. All in all i feel that the threat of greenskins have been diminished to much in later editions.

[Urgat]

I'd be quite interested to read that. Its similar to how I more enjoy how Gorbad's story was told in the previous O&G book than in the current one. Any chance you could post or pm that story to me?

Later, if I remember (I'm at work). Basically, it's a battle scene between Azhag's Waaagh!!! and an Empire army, all the way from deployment to conclusion (you get Azhag to observe everything, like how he finds troll regeneration fascinating, and some Azhag/Crown of sorcery interaction, like Azhag's starting to get pissed at a squabling unit, and the crown tells him to count in his head to calm down.). The orcs win the day, and the bit about the dead soldier is during the aftermatch, while the orcs are celebrating and looting and whatnot, Azhag looks at this human who's still a kid, and he starts wondering quite human-like things like why he went to fight when he was so young, etc etc, and then he realises he doesn't enjoy much the company of his fellow greenskins anymore, he figures he's becoming different. Spans on a few pages. It's quite similar to other short stories you could find in armybooks from back then, like the one about Grom on Ulthuan in the HE book.

I dont see peoples problem with grimgor. All in all i feel that the threat of greenskins have been diminished to much in later editions.

He is a very boring, uninteresting character, especially compared to previous warbosses that were very cool with very interesting back stories, and which were basically replaced by... that. And while he might actually be a good rendition of what an orc would be if you downwarded them to their most primal instincts, he's actually the exact opposite of what a black orc is. He would have been alright as a second hand savage orc character, but he's an abortion as a black orc warboss.
Grimgor can be resumed by "Grimgor see, Grimgor SMASH!" Don't even add a "d'hurr d'hurr!", there's not even anything joyful about it. He'd put a Khorne Warlord to shame. In a not cool manner. There's not even anything noteworthy to say about him: he kills humans, he kills skavens, and... and voila. Oh yeah, he killed some night goblins first. Oh my, so exciting I might wet my pants. He's the prime example of how Greenskins have been downgraded from dangerous foreign invaders to brutish pests without a gram of brains.
I liked my orcs better when they found it funny to nail king sons to thrones or taunt Bretonnians.

[woodster17]

I'll just ignore ingame cause i never play with SC i wouldnt know.

Best: Alith Anar.

Worst: That dwarf with the Anvil of doom.

I dont see peoples problem with grimgor. All in all i feel that the threat of greenskins have been diminished to much in later editions.

You hate Thorek Ironbrow? Blasphemous! What's wrong with a Runelord and an Anvil of Doom. Seems a legit special character to me.

[Ultimate Life Form]

I was just thinking, maybe Grimgor suffers from a psychic imbalance? Okay, I mean more so than your average Orc.

Let me explain what I mean. Grimgor as far as I know was supposed to be something like an Avatar of Gork (that's why his German name is Grimgork - yes, very witty indeed). So from this comes his overwhelming desire to smash. However, it may be that he actually lacks the Mork side completely. You know, the cunning, the trickery, the humor. So basically he's an aberration. A single minded machine of destruction.

Now what I want to see is his long-lost evil twin Grimmor, who's basically an evil jester. Think the Joker only Greener. His arch-nemesis is Sniktch. Now that would be awesome.

[warboss6820]

I'm pretty sure grimgor oppisite is snarsnik who is extermly cunning and not too brutal. Therefore they are greenskin gods givien from; grimgor brutal not to cunnin'=gork, while snarsnik is cunning not to brutal=mork. Also are you saying snitch is batman. No. Just plain no.

[TheDungen]

ah but gork is brutal but cunnig and mork is cunning but brutal.


and yes i hate Ironbrow. Or as i call him, lets give dwarves a wizard! doesn't help he used to murder my poor elves back in 6th =(

[Skopey]

Aye Kragg the grimm is a much better runelord character than Ironbrow!! Bring him back next book plz (obviously without the Op stats he had back then sadly lol) I always liked the back story of Repanse De Lyonesse (i think thats what she was called, cant find my 5th bret book) A bit of joan of arc in warhammer Though she wasn't that great in the game back then, but it would be cool to see her in the bret book again. Also i have never had the Green knight let me down in game. Yeah he may not be all that killy stats and gear wise but using him to tie up the odd small unit or send a low Ld unit screaming off the table he's awesome Hes always shown up turn 2-3 for me. Assuming i remember to try and bring him on lol.

[Urgat]

I'm pretty sure grimgor oppisite is snarsnik who is extermly cunning and not too brutal. Therefore they are greenskin gods givien from; grimgor brutal not to cunnin'=gork, while snarsnik is cunning not to brutal=mork. Also are you saying snitch is batman. No. Just plain no.

Well snitch is not a bat, he's a rat. He's ratman, obviously.

[sulla]

Some of my favourite Fluff; Malekith and Morathi... being the focal point of the entire dark elf race, there is so much rich history, ambiguity and hypocrasy about them. Too bad that in-game Malekith is 600pts worth of items and abilities with absolutely no synergy. Khazrak One-eye is pretty cool as a low level boss as is undersea adventurer Lokhir Fellheart. 6th edition Morghur was awesome but his fluff has been considerably diminished in the newer book. The bluescribes and Taurox have pretty cool stories too.

For bad, I put Tyrion and Teclis right up there; cheap knock-offs of even cheaper pulp in the form of the dragonlance twins... Oh, and blind Eltharion. Tortured and blinded =/= better than before. Almost any Lizard character with a pun for a name annoys me too.

[hazmiter]

Have to say, I like morathis back story, and the game rules for her reflect that..... Sorta iffy over helebron though.....

[Arnizipal]

Let me explain what I mean. Grimgor as far as I know was supposed to be something like an Avatar of Gork (that's why his German name is Grimgork - Yes, very witty indeed).

He wasn't originally. That bit only came about during the Storm of Chaos after his army lost to Crom (even though Grimgor didn't lose ).

[redshylock]

My problem with Grimgor is that he behave like a normal orc instead of a black orc. It was said he start infighting if he didn't battle for 2 days. The fluff said a black orc would never do that.

[Arnizipal]

My problem with Grimgor is that he behave like a normal orc instead of a black orc. It was said he start infighting if he didn't battle for 2 days. The fluff said a black orc would never do that.

They do, in fact. They just keep orderly fights before a battle
Of course that's not the way Grimgor does things...

[Memnos]

Best special character: Ghorros. Every other special character is, "Here's the worlds best mage! This is the real deal! REALLY REAL! Teclis/Mazdamundi/Fateweaver/Nagash is totally the best! Ignore the other Army Book. They're so wrong, they were probably written by a kindergartner with crayon! What? I wrote it? Don't be silly. This time, I really mean it.", "Here's the worlds best warrior! Mark 3, 622!", "This guy is the most bad-assed, monstrous creature riding King or Emperor there is!", "He's the worlds best Assassin! Really! Not like that OTHER guy's Worlds Best Assassin."

Ghorros is called the father of a thousand young. He is beloved by his family, who will do anything. He's not a psychopath. He's a hard-drinking, bar-brawling, fight-picking Centigor. He doesn't invade countries. He invades taverns. If you rolled up Charlie Sheen, Homer Simpson and Mr. T, you would have Ghorros.

[Craze_b0i]

Some flaws in Grimgor, he constantly is worried he will never find anyone that can put up a good fight. I am sorry but there is a ton of stuff way more powerful than Grimgor, goto the Chaos Wastes for god sakes or even just goto The Empire and see how long you last in 1 to 1 with an Empire General on Gryffon. Yet he doesn't seem to be looking very hard, he fights skaven, goblins and kislev horsemen. Oh he probably killed a few abombs at Hell Pit but those were like, so easy.

Also the fact if he hasn't fought a battle in 1 days he kills 10% of his own army, or if its 2 days he starts killing any follower within reach. Now I know military logistics was never a strong point in warhammer but this takes it to a new level.

Grimgor: "I want to invade Kislev!!!!"

Scared Black Orc: "Errrm its probably about 2 weeks march away, you know what happens to you if you have to go a whole 2 days without a battle.."

Grimgor: *Smashes off his head

[Urgat]

They do, in fact. They just keep orderly fights before a battle

They don't, they make headbutt contests

If you rolled up Charlie Sheen, Homer Simpson and Mr. T, you would have Ghorros.

Well, You would have Ghorros with 6 legs

[Arnizipal]

They don't, they make headbutt contests

And gobbo-throwing contests
Still pretty fighty, but indeed it's a more orderly way to deal with disputes.

None of that made it into the 8th edition book it seems...

[The bearded one]

Some flaws in Grimgor, he constantly is worried he will never find anyone that can put up a good fight. I am sorry but there is a ton of stuff way more powerful than Grimgor, goto the Chaos Wastes for god sakes or even just goto The Empire and see how long you last in 1 to 1 with an Empire General on Gryffon. Yet he doesn't seem to be looking very hard, he fights skaven, goblins and kislev horsemen. Oh he probably killed a few abombs at Hell Pit but those were like, so easy.

Also the fact if he hasn't fought a battle in 1 days he kills 10% of his own army, or if its 2 days he starts killing any follower within reach. Now I know military logistics was never a strong point in warhammer but this takes it to a new level.

Grimgor: "I want to invade Kislev!!!!"

Scared Black Orc: "Errrm its probably about 2 weeks march away, you know what happens to you if you have to go a whole 2 days without a battle.."

Grimgor: *Smashes off his head

Killing 10% of the army is never mentioned anywhere, but it is indeed mentioned that if a day without battle goes by, grimgor starts making bloodyminded arguments to lure out a brawl, if two days without battle go by he kills any gobbo within reach, and if three days go by.. well.. noone knows what would happen then (grimgor smash?).

However Grimgors story used to be a bit expanded upon on the old GW site (that one that wasn't purely a webshop), and was concerned with Grimgors bloody bussiness before they went towards Middenheim. After he had taken up residence in Karak Ungor (where he could go out to campaign in Kislev in the spring, and fight neverending hordes of skaven in the winter), he got bored after clan moulder sent several dozen ratogres against him, and he journeyed north with his army, where he set up camp north of high pass, in the great skull land IIRC, in order to face endless armies of Kurgan northmen and incidentally he also blocked the passage towards Kislev and the Empire, unless the northmen took long diversion routes. At this point he faced plenty of large armies of chaos warriors and champions, as northmen came at him in endless numbers in order to test themselves against "the green daemon".


I understand what Urgat is saying though, Grimgor is so one-dimensional as all he does is fight, and kill nearly everybody by default (except for Crom). I guess you could say he had a bit of character development in that he searched for a challenge, and when crom beat him he got sort of depressed untill he vowed to Gork & Mork to absolve himself by killing some more.

[grumbaki]

In all fairness, at first I didn't like Grimgor. Big black orc, completely blood-mad. Kills, fights, kills. Yawn. But I liked what happened in the SoC. After losing to Crom, Grimgor lost what little of his mind he still had, and if memory serves, carved an effigy to the gods and talked to it. From that point he became the greenskin version of a warrior priest. Suddenly, he had something of a personality to him. Still nowhere near as interesting as the older O&G characters, but at least he got another dimension to him.

I really wish that GW would do something with King Kazador and Gorfang. The story between the two really is great. And I love King Kazador. One of the few honestly happy dwarfs out there, who in true dwarven fashion, is given a life-altering tragedy. Perhaps one of the funniest scenes possible would be if Eltharion and Kazador met (an elf and a dwarf who each had their lives ruined by greenskins and are unhappy shadows of the men they once were)

[Urgat]

From that point he became the greenskin version of a warrior priest. Suddenly, he had something of a personality to him.

Warrior priest? From that point on, he decides to go after Archaon to Grimgor-smash him. I agree that this evolution would bring enough material to almost allow someone to write a 4 page short story about Grimgor's life No seriously, after that, for some reason, he has Gork and Mork (the two giant siege towers) built, and then - we never hear about either Grimgor talking to rocks again or hearing from the gods (something that all shamans do routinely...), or to any purpose for these two towers (they never serve and they enver get any mention again, as far as I can remember). The only difference is now that Grimgor has to kill orcs when he's not fighting because he has no goblins left, because its seems that he managed to wipe out all of them out of his waaagh!!! by himself.