Organized Codex Space Marine Tactic Index

[KrisPicman]

Welcome to the Organized Codex Space Marine Tactic Index. I am starting this project to make it easier to browse Codex Space Marine tactics for the Warseer community. This thread will be updated daily to ensure up-to-date tactics and information based on the real feed back from our community on said Codex. I will be creating a list of all the units in the current codex, in a certain format, which I will be counting on the rest of the community to help me fill in with much needed information.

What I want my fellow warseers to post in ths thread is any information regarding any unit/wargear/tactic/etc. concerning Codex: Space Marines. As information is posted to this thread (in the format I specify) I will update the entries accordingly. Please refrain from discussion of why or why not to pick a unit, this thread is for information cataloging purposes only, not debate. I make this stipulation only to keep the thread managable and easy to browse. All current information will be in the first post thus eliminating any need to browse multiple pages.

Please remember that this tactic index begins and ends with the idea of competitiveness, while fluff is valued it is not essential in this thread. I do realise that there are many differing opinions on a myriad of subjects to be discussed, I will try to be as fair as I can about selecting information to be put into this index and I will generally put what ever gets posted into the index unless strong information IS PM'd to me about why certain information may be wrong or incomplete. I invite any and all Codex: Space Marine knowledgeable Warseer members to help me in the creation, continuation and preservation of this thread. No tid-bit of information is too small to mention. Please keep all posts within said format, lean and to the point.

Remember this index is no substitute for your codex. Its purpose is to go deeper into the tactical advantages offering you insight into your army that your codex may not be able to do, through the experiances of others.

A brief run-down of the jargon to be used in the thread,
The definiton of the word Optimal for this thread is, best or most efficient use of said unit/wargear/tactic/etc.
Carrier is the unit to be equipped with said wargear.
Target is what potential opponent said wargear/psychic power will/should be used against.
Optimal Points Cost means, is the said wargear priced appropriatly for its job.

CODEX: SPACE MARINE TACTIC INDEX

(Special Named Characters)
Marneus Calgar Lord Macragge
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Captain Cato Sicarius
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Chief Librarian Tigurius
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Chaplain Cassius
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Chapter Master Pedro Kantor
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Captain Darnath Lysander
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Shadow Captain Kayvaan Shrike
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Forgefather Vulkan He'stan
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Kor'sarro Khan
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Sergeant Telion
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Brother-Sergeant Chronus
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(Un-named Head-Quarters)

Space Marine Chapter Master
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Space Marine Captain Optimal Options:
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Space Marine Librarian
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Space Marine Chaplain
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Master Of The Forge
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(Head-Quarters Retinue)

Honour Guard Squad
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Command Squad
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Servitors
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(Elites)
Terminator Squad
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Terminator Assault Squad
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Sternguard Veteran Squad
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Venerable Dreadnought
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Dreadnought
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Ironclad Dreadnought
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Techmarine
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Legion Of The Damned Squad
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(Troops)
Tactical Squad Space Marines
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Scout Squad
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(Fast Attack)

Assault Squad
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Vanguard Veteran Squad
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Land Speeder Squadron
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Space Marine Bike Squad
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Attack Bike Squad
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Land Speeder Storm
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Scout Bike Squad
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(Heavy Support)
Devastator Squad
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Thunderfire Cannon
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Land Raider
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Land Raider Crusader
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Land Raider Redeemer
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Predator
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Whirlwind
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Vindicator
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(Dedicated Transports)

Rhino
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Razorback
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Drop Pod
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(Wargear Weapons)
Assault Cannon
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Astartes Grenade Launcher
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Auxiliary Grenade Launcher
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Boltgun
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Bolt Pistol
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Chainfist
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Combi-Weapons
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Conversion Beamer
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Crozius Arcanum
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Cyclone Missle Launcher
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Digital Weapons
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Flamer
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Force Weapons
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Frag Grenades
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Heavy Bolter
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Heavy Flamer
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Krak Grenades
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Lascannon
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Lightning Claws
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Master Crafted Weapons
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Meltabombs
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Meltagun
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Missile Launcher
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Multi-Melta
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Plasma Cannon
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Plasman Gun
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Plasma Pistol
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Power Fist
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Power Weapons
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Relic Blade
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Shotgun
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Sniper Rifle
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Storm Bolter
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Thunder Hammer
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(Wargear Equipment)

Cluster Mines
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Combat Shield
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Camo Cloak
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Chapter Banner
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Company Standard
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Hellfire Rounds
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Hellfire Shells
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Iron Halo
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Jump Pack
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Locator Beacon
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Psychic Hood
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Rosarius
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Narthecium
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Servo-arm
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Servo-Harness
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Signum
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Space Marine Bike
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Storm Shield
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Teleport Homer
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(Armour)

Artificer Armour
Protection Offered:
Best chance of negating what attacks:
Optimal Points Cost for equipped wargear:

Power Armour
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Best chance of negating what attacks:

Scout Armour
Protection Offered:
Best chance of negating what attacks:

Terminator Armour
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Optimal Points Cost for equipped wargear:

(Vehicle Armoury)

Autocannon
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Cerebus Launcher
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Deathwind Launcher
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Demolisher Cannon
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Dozer Blade
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Extra Armour
Protection Offered:
Best chance of negating what attacks:
Optimal Points Cost for equipped wargear:

Flamestorm Cannon
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Frag Assault Launcher
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Hunter-Killer Missles
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Hurricane Bolter
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Iron Clad Assault Launchers
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Jamming Beacon
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Storm Bolter
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Search Light
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Seismic Hammer
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Smoke Launchers
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Typhoon Missile Launcher
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Whirlwind Multiple Missle Launcher
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(Librarian Psychic Powers)

Smite
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Force Dome
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Machine Curse
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

The Avenger
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Quickening
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Null Zone
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Might Of The Ancients
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

The Gate Of Infinity
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

Vortex Of Doom
What does it do?
What are the ideal targets for this power?

(Optimal Alliances)
In this section please detail why the said forces can work well with a Codex Space Marine Army.

Battle Brothers
Black Templars:
Blood Angels:
Dark Angels:
Imperial Guard:
Space Wolves:
Tau:

Allies of Convenience
Eldar:
Grey Knights:
Sister of Battle:

Desperate Allies
Dark Eldar:
Necrons:
Orks:

(Tactics)
How best to use the forces of Codex Space Marines to vanquish your foes. Please describe the compostion of your force without giving point values for individual units and wargear. A total point value and unit list for your force is acceptable and will be put into the index as long as it is accompanied by a title and brief tactica on how to use said army in certain conditions. Please make sure lists are legal. Im looking lists with optimal competitivness, so please refrain from posting unless your list has won you a fair amount of victories.

Example:
Space Marine Gun-Line 500 Points
Captain w/ Artificer armour & Auxiliary Grenade Launcher
Tactical Squad w/ 5 extra Marines Plasma Gun, Las Cannon
Tactical Squad w/ 5 extra Marines Plasma Gun, Las Cannon

Tactics: Sit both units of marines (one is accompanied by the Captain) in cover and shoot my enemy to pieces before rushing forward to claim objectives)

(Power Builds)
In this section I want to examine the more powerful unit builds commonly referred to as “Death-Star Units”.

[KrisPicman]

I am also seeking information on fliers to add onto this thread. I have not had a chance to use or play against one yet so I am at a complete loss.

[Freman Bloodglaive]

I am also seeking information on fliers to add onto this thread. I have not had a chance to use or play against one yet so I am at a complete loss.

Fliers are fast, but limited in manoeuvrability. They can shoot anything, non skyfire weapons have difficulty shooting them. If you don't have skyfire then twin-linked weapons are a good backup option. Twin-linked autocannons are nice, and cheap on dreadnoughts.

Basically they've become the "must take" unit in 6th edition, so I'm going to do my best to avoid taking them.

[starlight]

Just to point out... 'Optimal' can vary greatly depending on your opponent and mission...

[blameless]

Just to point out... 'Optimal' can vary greatly depending on your opponent and mission...

True but still a helpful guide?

Marneus Calgar Lord Macragge= awesomeness incarnate!
Optimal Options: Terminator armor no question
Optimal Strategic uses for: Making army choose to pass or fail morale. nerfed a little by 6th in that they didnt have to take no retreat wounds but now no one does. A beast in CC.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: super costly so best taken in 1750pt+ armies IMO
Most effective combination with different unit: REAL nasty as a deathstar unit combo with Lysander and a squad of shooter terminators hehehe...
Optimal Transport options: Raider, Storm raven or footslogger to take advantage of his AP2 storm bolter (now a sniper)

[Randomman]

Predator
Optimal Options: (Anti-troop/Light Armour) Autocannon Turrent and Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Optimal Strategic uses for: Hosing Armour 4+ and worse troops, hammering AV10 and AV11 Vehicles, using up the last 85pt in your list in a pretty badass way.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: As part of 2-3 armoured units at 1500 and 3-5 units at 2000. Will struggle over 2000 unless you're taking 3 for a hoard army.
Most effective combination with different unit: Best used in conjunction in an army with a decent anti tank setup already in place. Having free reign to hit troops with an AV13 tank without much fear of reprisal is very satisfying.


Optimal Options: (Anti-elite troop/Heavy Armour) Lascannon Turrent, Lascannon Sponsons
Optimal Strategic uses for: Taking out heavy armour slowly but pretty efficiently
Optimal Point Values to use unit: As part of 2-3 armoured units at 1500 and 3-5 units at 2000. (having other armoured targets for your opponent to aim at is almost a must in a space marine army, I have never found one vehicle to cut it (even land raiders))
Most effective combination with different unit: Anything that allows it to sit safely in the open and fling 3 lascannon shots are your opponent's best armoured units turn after turn.

[Hulkster]

I feel that Tactical Squads are going to be the key to our army in this edition. We can tailor them to many roles and if worse comes to worse they can hold their own in CC.

I would say a PW, MB and bolt pistol Sarge will be the standard setup now with the heavy weapons and special weapons tailored for the enemy or to fill holes in your own army.

Multi Meltas are now a possibility as you can move and shoot with them. I am thinking about having an all melta team and mybe giving the sarge a combi melta

[KrisPicman]

Fliers are fast, but limited in manoeuvrability. They can shoot anything, non skyfire weapons have difficulty shooting them. If you don't have skyfire then twin-linked weapons are a good backup option. Twin-linked autocannons are nice, and cheap on dreadnoughts.

Basically they've become the "must take" unit in 6th edition, so I'm going to do my best to avoid taking them.

I will be working on a Fliers section soon could you point me towards any articles where they are listed in Codex detail?

[KrisPicman]

Just to point out... 'Optimal' can vary greatly depending on your opponent and mission...

Very true and I welcome all contributers to detail what units using what wargear will be optimal in certain missions.

[KrisPicman]

True but still a helpful guide?

Marneus Calgar Lord Macragge= awesomeness incarnate!
Optimal Options: Terminator armor no question
Optimal Strategic uses for: Making army choose to pass or fail morale. nerfed a little by 6th in that they didnt have to take no retreat wounds but now no one does. A beast in CC.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: super costly so best taken in 1750pt+ armies IMO
Most effective combination with different unit: REAL nasty as a deathstar unit combo with Lysander and a squad of shooter terminators hehehe...
Optimal Transport options: Raider, Storm raven or footslogger to take advantage of his AP2 storm bolter (now a sniper)

Thank you for the contribution. This will be the first piece to be added. Keep up the good work.

[KrisPicman]

Predator
Optimal Options: (Anti-troop/Light Armour) Autocannon Turrent and Heavy Bolter Sponsons
Optimal Strategic uses for: Hosing Armour 4+ and worse troops, hammering AV10 and AV11 Vehicles, using up the last 85pt in your list in a pretty badass way.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: As part of 2-3 armoured units at 1500 and 3-5 units at 2000. Will struggle over 2000 unless you're taking 3 for a hoard army.
Most effective combination with different unit: Best used in conjunction in an army with a decent anti tank setup already in place. Having free reign to hit troops with an AV13 tank without much fear of reprisal is very satisfying.


Optimal Options: (Anti-elite troop/Heavy Armour) Lascannon Turrent, Lascannon Sponsons
Optimal Strategic uses for: Taking out heavy armour slowly but pretty efficiently
Optimal Point Values to use unit: As part of 2-3 armoured units at 1500 and 3-5 units at 2000. (having other armoured targets for your opponent to aim at is almost a must in a space marine army, I have never found one vehicle to cut it (even land raiders))
Most effective combination with different unit: Anything that allows it to sit safely in the open and fling 3 lascannon shots are your opponent's best armoured units turn after turn.

Thank you for your input, 18 minutes earlier and this would of been the first piece of info to go into the article :P But this is exactly what Im looking for. And great job on adding a different variant. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS THREAD NEEDS. Keep up the good work!

[KrisPicman]

I feel that Tactical Squads are going to be the key to our army in this edition. We can tailor them to many roles and if worse comes to worse they can hold their own in CC.

I would say a PW, MB and bolt pistol Sarge will be the standard setup now with the heavy weapons and special weapons tailored for the enemy or to fill holes in your own army.

Multi Meltas are now a possibility as you can move and shoot with them. I am thinking about having an all melta team and mybe giving the sarge a combi melta

If you can realign the information you have posted into the format of this thread I.E.
Tactical Squad Space Marines
Optimal Squad Size:?
Optimal Options: Power Weapons, Multi Meltas, Not sure what MB is ATM, Bolt Pistol Seargant, Remember to spell out what you mean try to not use acronyms.
Optimal Strategic uses for:?
Optimal Point Values to use unit:?
Most effective combination with different unit:?
Optimal Transport options?

But still thank you for contributing, as always keep up the good work.

[KrisPicman]

Mod Please remove this post as its a double post

I feel that Tactical Squads are going to be the key to our army in this edition. We can tailor them to many roles and if worse comes to worse they can hold their own in CC.

I would say a PW, MB and bolt pistol Sarge will be the standard setup now with the heavy weapons and special weapons tailored for the enemy or to fill holes in your own army.

Multi Meltas are now a possibility as you can move and shoot with them. I am thinking about having an all melta team and mybe giving the sarge a combi melta

If you can realign the information you have posted into the format of this thread I.E.
Tactical Squad Space Marines
Optimal Squad Size:?
Optimal Options: Power Weapons, Multi Meltas, Not sure what MB is ATM, Bolt Pistol Seargant, Remember to spell out what you mean try to not use acronyms.
Optimal Strategic uses for:?
Optimal Point Values to use unit:?
Most effective combination with different unit:?
Optimal Transport options?

But still thank you for contributing, as always keep up the good work.

[steevn]

MB = meltabombs, pretty funny you use an acronym while saying we need to avoid them ATM
you can delete a post by editing it and choose "delete"

Vindicator
Optimal Options: stormbolter
Optimal Strategic uses for: killing T5, killing deathstars, blasting vehicles away
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 2 in <2000 and 4 in >2000 pts, leaving you points for a predator for hordecontrol
Most effective combination with different unit: infantry protecting it from assault

[KrisPicman]

Lol Im kinda awesome like that steevn.
Great contribution its def going in, but Im having problems with the length of the post when it comes to editing so Im going to have to make changes on a word document and then post the result so bare with me guys, your post will be added only its going to take some time as of right now please keep posting and when I get off work this afternoon Ill fix the Index right up.
Keep up all of the good work, together we can make this thing great!

[Konovalev]

It's worth noting that Marneus also has a power weapon in addition to his twin-fists. This seems to be often overlooked, so if a power fist sargeant for example challenged Marneus you can just smack him down with the power weapon rather than subjecting yourself to a fist-off.

Also with the change to power weapons(and the CSM FAQ stating that all instances of power sword become power weapon) You can give Marneus a maul for the concussive strike, or sword for the higher AP. Obviously giving him an axe would be redundant since he comes with a power fist. WYSIWYG wise, the stock model has a power sword on his side, so you would need to remove that if you wanted to run him with a different type of power weapon.

[Hulkster]

Mod Please remove this post as its a double post



If you can realign the information you have posted into the format of this thread I.E.
Tactical Squad Space Marines
Optimal Squad Size:?
Optimal Options: Power Weapons, Multi Meltas, Not sure what MB is ATM, Bolt Pistol Seargant, Remember to spell out what you mean try to not use acronyms.
Optimal Strategic uses for:?
Optimal Point Values to use unit:?
Most effective combination with different unit:?
Optimal Transport options?

But still thank you for contributing, as always keep up the good work.

Hmmmm... My point is that you cannot simplify down Tactical Marines. 90% of the options are viable and you can mould them to fill gaps in the rest of your army.

For example, if you take 3 anti infantry preds then you will want anti tank options. Then it comes down to delivery method are they going to be in a rhino, razorback or drop pod. That determines the weapons. They cannot be simplified into the chart.

However

Devastator Squad
Optimal Squad Size:5 if plenty cover, other wise 10 for ablative wounds
Optimal Options: All the same weapon. Missile Launchers or Lascannons. Bolt pistol and CCW for Sarge. 4 Multimeltas may see some action as they can now snap shot, however they are expensive and may just be points for the enemy, sub optimal.
Optimal Strategic uses for:Tank Hunting
Optimal Point Values to use unit: N/A They either go all out or not at all.
Most effective combination with different unit: Another devastator unit for max anti-tank. Combat Tactical Squad with Heavy Weapon. Predator support.
Optimal Transport options None. They are not required. Razorbacks are sometimes used as extra heavy weapons and left at the back.

[Randomman]

I know Vulkan has a brief entry already but I feel the need to expand on it:


Forgefather Vulkan He'stan
Optimal Strategic uses for: Adding CC initiative 5 punch to a CC unit. Only three attacks but with a re-roll to hit and wound (WS6 and S6). Of course Twin linking every melta and flamer and master crafting every thunderhammer.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 1250+
Most effective combination with different unit: 5 Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield Terminators.
Optimal Transport options: Land Raider Redeemer, normally purchased as a transport option for Thunder Hammer Terminators, thus freeing up a heavy.


Land Raider Redeemer
Optimal Strategic uses for: Carrying a death star styled combat unit. Trundling forwards and firing the assault cannon as its one weapon, PoTMS one flamestorm cannon and pot shot the other for all three weapons at full effectiveness on the move.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 1250+, can fit in a 1000 but I think at this points a Normal Land Raider is a better Jack of all trades.
Most effective combination with different unit: Carrying Terminators
Transportee options: See above

Terminator Assault Squad
Optimal Squad Size: 5 and a Character for being transported, as many as possible otherwise
Optimal Options: Thunder Hammers and Storm Shields all round
Optimal Strategic uses for: Hitting units up to 10 in close combat. Be wary of bigger units as these will bog you down. Contesting objectives whilst in close combat.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 1500+ (Can go lower but army will pretty much have to be built around them and I prefer a core of tactical squads.
Most effective combination with different unit: Vulkan He'Stand
Optimal Transport options: Land Raider (Any variant)

ETA: Would 'weaknesses' be an appropriate section in each entry?

[2nd place]

Techmarine
Optimal Options: servo-harness, power weapon, boltgun
Optimal Strategic uses for: "babysitting" units such as sterguard, escourting TH/SS terminators or fixing hull points on tanks
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 1,500+
Most effective combination with different unit: TH/SS terminators or tech servitors
Optimal Transport options: Assault cannon razorback

Servitors
Optimal Squad Size:2-3
Optimal Options: tech-arms
Optimal Strategic uses for: accompanying techmarines for fixing armour on a 2+ or riding in a razorback ect keeping the gun going
Optimal Point Values to use unit: 1,500+
Most effective combination with different unit:techmarine, razorback, vindicator

[KrisPicman]

True but still a helpful guide?

Marneus Calgar Lord Macragge= awesomeness incarnate!
Optimal Options: Terminator armor no question
Optimal Strategic uses for: Making army choose to pass or fail morale. nerfed a little by 6th in that they didnt have to take no retreat wounds but now no one does. A beast in CC.
Optimal Point Values to use unit: super costly so best taken in 1750pt+ armies IMO
Most effective combination with different unit: REAL nasty as a deathstar unit combo with Lysander and a squad of shooter terminators hehehe...

Optimal Transport options: Raider, Storm raven or footslogger to take advantage of his AP2 storm bolter (now a sniper)

Can you expand on why terminator armour is the best fit for him?
Also Can you post why he is so good when combined with Lysander and shooting terminators for the tactics section?