You are off by 50 grands. For a company that's new on the market it's a very large sum.Originally Posted by eldargal
You are off by 50 grands. For a company that's new on the market it's a very large sum.
Am surprised I haven't read it here but about the zeppelin, in the dreadfleet box the dwarfboat has zeppelins on board so why not...
Thanks I thought it might have been 350k but I couldn't remember and didn't have time to check. They did extremely well, as did AoW, but I was just trying to put AoWs kickstarter level in perspective with some other companies.
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Oh, not saying that's bad, but yep, that's still marginal compared to GW. Most people who play warhammer buy in the stores, and most who buy online still buy GW stuff, whether it's independant online stores or the GW one. The amount put up by the AoW or Mantic kickstart projects are mostly fed by enthusiasts, not your regular player. I know nobody besides me who plays warhammer in my area who even know about Mantic or AoW... How would they anywya? They don't look up stuff online, and I'm not talking about these to them. They aren't going to stumble on an AoW berserk dwarfs in a white dwarf, so if they aren't themselves looking for it in the first place, they won't know about it. Honestly if GW was really bothered at all, well, they'd see the AOW or mantic projects, they'd just shuffle their release schedules a bit (can't be that dramatic a thing to do), and put the dwarfs out in priority. If they don't, it means they don't care enough.
Anyway apologies for being OT, I just wanted to answer a direct question. On the Airship front, the fact that FW is probably planning to release one is, imho, a sure indication that GW won't.
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Sound thoughts Urgat, I agree to a certain degree, but also the point I was making is exactly that GW WILL alter release dates if anything was a big enough threat, which was my first hypothesis.
I also think Dwarves are a particular choice, I bet many WFB dwarf players or more than the average for all other armies are members of Bugmans forums, which discusses the sexiness of AoW models regularly.
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I would say it's reasonable to assume these could be referring to the same thing. (a Dwarven version of Emprie's sigma altar perhaps?)
@ Urgat, I've read on rumour boards that some of the GW dev team are against the Zep and that 1 wants it. By all accounts that 1 may get his way. I have to agree though, as soon as I heard FW were deffo sculpting a resin Zep, the likelihood of GW doing the same fell dramatically. But, remember both companies do sculpt the same units, Greater Daemons are just one example. FW tend to sculpt unique models for a set time period or locale - it may well be that their Blackfire Pass book as a ruleset for a renowned blimp and that it will come with a pts costed crew. The arguments in favour of a GW zep: There's already rules for them. It's an ideal "big beastie" for a Dwarf army that doesn;t have "big beasties" and would fill the plastic slot very well. The resin one from FW is bound to be expensive and not appeal to many based on that alone.
@Rybo5000 - I dare say I agree. The 'warmachine in the likeness of an ancestor' already has a description on the latest WHFRP supplement, described as one of two new machines available to the Engineer's Guild, there's also a few illustrations of them. Once upon a time, there was also a 'Dwarf Juggernaut' model and it may well be that they're revisiting that concept anew. I don't think it will be a walking dwarf statue a la Stone Golem. Expect wheels, cogs and big hammers
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I thought the Juggernaut was more of a Chaos Dwarf idea - the redesign in the Monstrous Arcanum Vol 1 as teh K'Daai Destroyer allowing for it to be used as it previously did, or as an almost Bale Taurus style model -
"Fashioned in the shape of a Bull or Minotaur"/"body is covered in barbs and blades"/"towering monster, larger even than others of its kind"/"outfitted with brazen wings", all pertaining to each upgrade.
Whether this is a bastardization of the Dwarf "Ancestor/Juggernaut/Collossus), or something that was developed on its own would be an interesting expansion. Not too sure on the idea of the Juggernaut though - it's got to be a centreline piece and has obviously got to sell models, so has got to have rules to match - however, this might see it look like the Steam Tank of 7th Edition, when Dual Tanks was effectively the law for Empire, at least locally. Considering it's a "new addition" to the Engineers/Runesmiths/Masons Guild, (always felt it was strange that only 2 Guilds out of the dwarfs many had actual battle units aside from Clansdwarfs), and hence inherently untrusted, it always disappoints me to see such "ultra units" in every battle.
A bit like seeing the Master of an Empire Magic College in every battle, or an Anvil of Doom, or a Greater Daemon.
Greater demons are already old models though. When they announced Warhammer Forge, they also said they would definitively avoid any model that GW plans to release. And the rules for the zeps are, imho, an argument against it being in the dwarf book. It is already in the BRB, and it is, quite importantly, there to showcase houseruling. Having it in an armybook would be both redudant and counterproductive to the very idea that it was introduced to encourage people to do such things themselves, which is a major point of the philosophy behind 8th ed. That's the same reason why I didn't believe for an instant that WoC will get warriors on juggers as a unit.
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I must be one of only a handful of dwarf players who isn't keen on a dwarf airship model. Maybe im to stuck in my ways but i dont see it fitting into a dwarf army. I'd much rather see a big ancestor Godmachine and hope the rumours for these plays out to be true esp if each god grants a specific buff like a shrine. The airship should remain a dwarf bit of fluff like the Ironclad. Though i am looking forward to seeing what forgeworld will do with the idea. People complain already about dwarf Gunlines so sticking an airship, which if it is anything like the one in the rule book rule wise, isn't in my opinion gonna go down to well with players that face dwarves alot. Though of course will depend on how things like organ guns are reworked in a new book. I could see something more like the old dwarf war baloons from Man'o'war though. That would act like spotters for dwarf artillery or something. Though again im not too keen on lol.
I agree actually. The last thing Dwarves need is another thing to shoot from! An ancestor statue is at least completely different, being some kind of monstrous creature. I also like the idea of a mechanical dragon for the same reason!
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That is not the first time I have heard the phrase "Wheels, Cogs and big hammers". I also take it from the wink that is more than idle speculation on your part?...The 'warmachine in the likeness of an ancestor' already has a description on the latest WHFRP supplement, described as one of two new machines available to the Engineer's Guild, there's also a few illustrations of them. Once upon a time, there was also a 'Dwarf Juggernaut' model and it may well be that they're revisiting that concept anew. I don't think it will be a walking dwarf statue a la Stone Golem. Expect wheels, cogs and big hammers
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Well see it from the gaming perspective (which concerns most => players) a balloon gives the dwarfs the mobility they lack so much...
Regardless of fluff, model or rules perspective I don't see why an airship wouldn't fit. They already have gyrocopters. Gyrocopters fly. They use flying machines to navigate the mountains. What is novel about the idea of an airship? Although it all depends on what the rules actually would be. An unlikely but interesting thought: first fantasy troop transport? Or maybe a flying stegadon/arachnarok with rangers raining axes from it.
Makaisson could be why. There's new design, and then there's "Makaisson".
That being said, there's now zeps everywhere in the Dwarf fluff, they're there in the BRB, they're there in Dreadfleet, they're there in Warmaster, I think they're, well, there. Discussing if zeppelins are fluffy or not is a bit late.
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I dunno if I should mention this as it may bite me in the ass but I had heard there is a plastic hero for dwarfs
Well that's very likely, we're still waiting for 10 or 11 clampacks, if there's not one dwarf in there, I'll eat my prize mushroom (the one for the trolls).
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I wasn't saying it shouldn't be in the fluff as like has been said it has been since Man'o'war as i remember, just i dont see it fitting in a dwarf list. All i meant was Dwarfs have a lot, ALOT of shooty things and they are one of the biggest gripes alot of people have with dwarves. So what if its mobile. Doesn't mean dwarf players that play static now wont use it in a static role as they do any other warmachine. Esp if its fragile. Now im just assuming that it would have similar rules to the one in the BRB but why would a dwarf player even take it if they play a gun line. Why put all your eggs in one basket. But like i said thats if the rules are similar to those in the brb. Plus the mobility argument. Dwarves can be mobile if you want them to be. Thats not even including gyrocopters as mentioned above. but thats down more to the play style the player has with dwarves more than the list. Granted the list does favour static dwarf armies but im sure that will be adressed in the new book. Ive dragged this thread off topic enough now. Like i said though i'll be interested to see how it all works if indeed it we do get one. I'l be happy to eat my gromril hat if it proves to be Dwarfy. Im just gonna take it all with a pinch of stone bread thats all.
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