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    @Harry - the wink didn't mean I've actually seen the model (unfortunately). Every description I've heard of it, via either rumour source or actual official printed fluff source is as a wheeled monstrosity, with a giant ancestor face to the front and 2 bloody great hammers for "arms". I'd be very surpirsed if the eventual model doesn't fit that description, at least loosely. For all those hoping for a runed Stone Golem type thing, this is looking far less likely than an engineering item run on steam and gears.

    I'm curious as to what the move will be, as too slow and it'll be cannon fodder and never see combat. A big 'centre piece' beastie that people don't want as a centre piece as it's too vulnerable would be a mistake by GW, imo.

    @Anyone mentioning a zep - they've been in Dwarf fluff for as long as I can remember (and I'm old!). They're very fluffy, but I agree with comments about how they add to the mix. The BRB Zep is undercosted and OP imo. We played one for fun at Warhammer World as part of our revisiting of the 'Great Betrayal' - it literally blew units away. It wouldn't be fun to face a unit with numerous cannons for the cost of a couple and LOS to anything on the board. Jury is still out on whether these are going to be included - but they too have been officially mentioned in WHFRP source book 'Blackfire Pass' as one of the two new weapons of the engineer's guild. That's sanctioned fluff, so it's far from the realms of improbability.

    @Demiurg - there was a plastic dwarf lord model that a couple of players managed to get their hands on a few years ago. It was never mass produced, some being lucky enough to get hold of test casts. It may be this you are refering to? I think the likelihood that Dwarfs will get a plastic hero model sooner rather than later is a bit of a given, rumour or not, as most armies have them now, new AB or not.

  2. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skopey View Post
    I wasn't saying it shouldn't be in the fluff as like has been said it has been since Man'o'war as i remember, just i dont see it fitting in a dwarf list. All i meant was Dwarfs have a lot, ALOT of shooty things and they are one of the biggest gripes alot of people have with dwarves. So what if its mobile. Doesn't mean dwarf players that play static now wont use it in a static role as they do any other warmachine. Esp if its fragile. Now im just assuming that it would have similar rules to the one in the BRB but why would a dwarf player even take it if they play a gun line. Why put all your eggs in one basket . But like i said thats if the rules are similar to those in the brb. Plus the mobility argument. Dwarves can be mobile if you want them to be. Thats not even including gyrocopters as mentioned above. but thats down more to the play style the player has with dwarves more than the list. Granted the list does favour static dwarf armies but im sure that will be adressed in the new book. Ive dragged this thread off topic enough now. Like i said though i'll be interested to see how it all works if indeed it we do get one. I'l be happy to eat my gromril hat if it proves to be Dwarfy. Im just gonna take it all with a pinch of stone bread thats all.
    However it is more fluffy for Dwarfs to shoot big guns than it is for Dwarfs to move over 6" per turn. A Dwarf gunline isn't really that good, a combined arms approach is way better. And people ho complain about Dwarf shooting are the same people who lose with Blood Angels against Tau because they footslog through open terrain.
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    I was more implying that with a dwarf force without a gunline its possible to make parts of the battlefield a no go area for your opponent. Area denial is a great weapon in the dwarves armoury. Making your opponent think twice about where he moves his units or face being outmanouvered by your dwarves. It is possible. Even without Strollza or anvil. Even a Taunt rune can enable a dwarf army to outmanouver an opponent if used on the right unit. Doesnt always work, but then what does? I think its fluffy for dwarves to stand their ground and let the enemy come to them sure. But that doesnt just mean gunlines. As for the zep has it not been seaid by FW that they will be adding one in their up coming expansion? Like i said i dont think as a dwarf book sits now the zep fitting in. Doesnt mean it wont, as has been suggested the dwarves will get a total rework. Then It may very well fit perfectly. For now im remaining sceptical thats all. If they add it great for the players who will use it. I have the option to not. which is fair enough . I'd rather see some sort of dwarf Land train or Ironclad than a zep.

  4. #84

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    So with chaos getting two slots next year does that meanno hope for a new dwarf book till 2014?

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    There was never much hope ... only a fools hope.
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  6. #86

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    There was never much hope ... only a fools hope.
    So very disappointing. GW really wants me to switch to kings of war or the new avatars game.

  7. #87

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montegue View Post
    So very disappointing. GW really wants me to switch to kings of war or the new avatars game.
    Yes, thats it. They are dragging their feet on this project until you leave.

    No wait ... maybe they are just trying to do the very best job they can on this ... as with every other project.
    Maybe they have more than 20+ other armies to consider over the two games and they just can't do them all at once.
    Maybe as this is a bigger project it will be worth the wait?
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    I have made peace with the fact that before the new book comes out my beard will be longer than Grombrindal's.
    My current best candidate for anti-Helldrake duties: Land Raider Crusader - SIXTEEN twin linked shots of Emprah's divine fury into rear armour 10.

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    In the game I see a zep more as a floating gun battery with quite slow movement. (this is speculation, not a rumor!) That would keep the slow stoic dwarf archetype.

  11. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Yes, thats it. They are dragging their feet on this project until you leave.

    No wait ... maybe they are just trying to do the very best job they can on this ... as with every other project.
    Maybe they have more than 20+ other armies to consider over the two games and they just can't do them all at once.
    Maybe as this is a bigger project it will be worth the wait?
    At least you recognize that its all about me and my needs.

    If we accept that wait time translates into quality, we should all give wood elves a very serious amount of thought.

  12. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montegue View Post
    At least you recognize that its all about me and my needs.

    If we accept that wait time translates into quality, we should all give wood elves a very serious amount of thought.
    LOL
    If they take as big a step forward as they did last time around we prabably should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alebelly_Cragfist View Post
    @Anyone mentioning a zep - they've been in Dwarf fluff for as long as I can remember (and I'm old!). They're very fluffy, but I agree with comments about how they add to the mix. The BRB Zep is undercosted and OP imo. We played one for fun at Warhammer World as part of our revisiting of the 'Great Betrayal' - it literally blew units away. It wouldn't be fun to face a unit with numerous cannons for the cost of a couple and LOS to anything on the board. Jury is still out on whether these are going to be included - but they too have been officially mentioned in WHFRP source book 'Blackfire Pass' as one of the two new weapons of the engineer's guild. That's sanctioned fluff, so it's far from the realms of improbability.
    Ah come on Alebelly, it wasn't that overpowered. I agree that it did have an impact on the game but still, it had to travel across the board for 2-3 turns before it could do something and even then it only ever shot with 2 of its Organ Guns. Was it powerful? You bet it was. Could it have been targeted with magic and shooting? It could have. I think that was done on purpose to allow it to shine a bit more.

    Also, shush, I want to field three of these monstrosities!

    All kidding aside, it would surprise me if they would actually release a zepp model as part of the standard armybook. Forgeworld I can see doing it though.

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    I like the sound of the rumours collected. I've always had my eye on Dwarfs, but could never bring myself to playing them because their list is so incredibly boring. The rumours gathered seem to indicate that GW found them to be boring, too, and are actively working towards putting a little sorely needed variety into the book. I think the Dwarfs will be an exciting release. I also think it will annoy the vocal Dwarf players greatly, because Dwarf players get into the character of their armies more than any other player out there - with the possible exception of OnG players - and thus are incredibly resistant and fearful of change.

  15. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dourin View Post
    Ah come on Alebelly, it wasn't that overpowered... Was it powerful? You bet it was. Could it have been targeted with magic and shooting? It could have. I think that was done on purpose to allow it to shine a bit more.

    Also, shush, I want to field three of these monstrosities!

    All kidding aside, it would surprise me if they would actually release a zepp model as part of the standard armybook. Forgeworld I can see doing it though.[/SIZE]
    What was it, 3 cannons and 2 OGs that can move and fire for 250pts or something crazy? No, you've convinced me, fair's fair! Forgeworld are deffo doing one. Whether this is the old one they're re-releasing or a brand new one, I dunno. I expect to see it soonish though

    Quote Originally Posted by DareX2 View Post
    Dwarf players get into the character of their armies more than any other player out there.
    That'll be because Dwarfs are legendary. Win or lose, we still have the best fluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alebelly_Cragfist View Post
    That'll be because Dwarfs are legendary. Win or lose, we still have the best fluff.
    I dunno about best fluff, but their books definitely have the best art and the potential for the best models!

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    From what i have been observing, most recent armies were included a montrous infantry. Ogres, Trolls, Ushabti, Vargheist and I believe the empire demigryph are monstrous calvary. Knowing the history of dwarfs, in the books of course and a few games. I seen many gollum structures which are made of dwarven metal or some other type. If GW does go forth with the idea of adding a monstrous infantry type to all armies, I would not be suprise to see a gollum or another mechanical machine with all kind of upgrades as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazonnia View Post
    If GW does go forth with the idea of adding a monstrous infantry type to all armies, I would not be suprise to see a gollum or another mechanical machine with all kind of upgrades as well.
    No need for a wink. There's enough evidence to suggest something not dissimilar.Reading the OP FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by Miredorf View Post
    elves have the best fluff...followed close by dwarfs i concede
    Replying to this would go dangerously off topic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    No wait ... maybe they are just trying to do the very best job they can on this ... as with every other project.
    Maybe they have more than 20+ other armies to consider over the two games and they just can't do them all at once.
    Maybe as this is a bigger project it will be worth the wait?
    Can we sticky this statement in front of every rumour thread on warseer for its absolute wisdom ?
    "ANYTHING that expands upon the Warhammer Universe that I love so much is something I will always be able to afford."

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