Manners in Warhammer.

[Juicy21]

heck at our local gamestore newcomers are really welcome they even get a free drink on the clubs money but we dont really have that mutch powergamers in our club tho.. and people only play powerlists when they practise for an tourney game. and let you know in advance so you can adjust your list.. we do got a lot of themed armees tho.

[Metacarpi]

I've only had that happen once, and it was also some kid grabbing it to use in a 40K game he was playing. All it took was a:

"Oi!"
"Huh?"
"That's mine, little dude."
"Oh."
"..."
"Can I borrow it?"
"Of course."

Problem solved.

Absolutely agree - the problem is that I never. Priced the items were missing until the end of the game, I've no idea when they vanished, but it was probably on a trip to the bar. We left the table unattended whilst we went to get beer, assuming fellow gamers wouldn't be crooks. We've since stopped leaving the tables unattended for even a moment, and nothing like that has happened since

[The bearded one]

If staff can't come up with great ideas to have fun instore, then you are in trouble

No, they're good guys, I think they might just need the push to go a bit more all-out crazy with it.

[Tarian]

It's superstition, one of these things that can't be helped. You just KNOW if someone touches your dice, he's going to steal the good mojo away from them. It's irrational of course, and I particularly find it fun when the ones that are like that are otherwise total believers in mathammer and statistics and what not, but it's something that just can't be helped, and, really, it's not such a big deal avoiding to touch his dice. That being said, anybody must be prepared for me to touch their dice if they throw them brutally and randomly on the table and they keep crashing crashing in my minis. That I bloody hate, people rolling their dice into my minis. I get that the example above with the guy dropping his dice so neatly they barely run is annoying, but the other extreme is even worse.

I am one of those people, who is a firm believer in Mathammer/Statistics, but... dice! And I agree, it's totally irrational, but it is superstition.

[yabbadabba]

No, they're good guys, I think they might just need the push to go a bit more all-out crazy with it.

Sounds hopeful mate. It was always something akin to setting wild animals free from captivity, telling a staff member they were allowed to have fun.

Cautious at first but then unbounded joy kicks in!

[the_slosh]

No, they're good guys, I think they might just need the push to go a bit more all-out crazy with it.

This can be very intimidating as well to any new would be hobbyist. My partner for example (who would only walk in the store because of me) does not enjoy having a overly excited staffer bombarding her with 'wackiness'

[The bearded one]

This can be very intimidating as well to any new would be hobbyist. My partner for example (who would only walk in the store because of me) does not enjoy having a overly excited staffer bombarding her with 'wackiness'

There's no need to jump from behind pillars and throw streamers in somebody's face - kind of craziness, but more excessively cool hobby/gaming fun, such as organising large apocalypse games 'just for the heck of it'.

[Oogie boogie boss]

Generally i think most guys who work in GW are great, but i've found that they can sometimes be overeager to say the least. I've been to quite a few GWs where the staff members have really pushed the hard sell technique. I went to one when I was at uni where i'd just popped in to see if the new Horus Heresy was out, and to browse, and the guy literally followed me around the shop whilst quizzing me on which system I played, which army I collected, whether I was interested in this and that, etc etc.
In the end I didn't even get near the book section because he get trying to usher me towards the new Skaven stuff (which was the army I then collected). Eventually I had to pretend to get an emergency text just to leave without being rude.
This is one aspect of the hobby I find to be poor manners. It's by no means always the case, and of course happens in all kinds of retail, but seems to be especially prevelent in GW. It's no coincidence that the local store I visit the most (i live in London, so there are a few) is the one where the manager who's usually there is a laid-back guy you is helpful but also lets you browse.

[the_slosh]

My experiences have been much like what Oogie boogie boss describes TBO. But I have found the staff to be much more pushy in the UK unlike the shops I've visited in France, Norway and Sweden

Also what you are suggesting is not what I would call wacky, I'd call that good business and a great way to attract new customers, besides who does not need more minis for Apoc!?

[kefkah]

My experiences have been much like what Oogie boogie boss describes TBO. But I have found the staff to be much more pushy in the UK unlike the shops I've visited in France, Norway and Sweden

Also what you are suggesting is not what I would call wacky, I'd call that good business and a great way to attract new customers, besides who does not need more minis for Apoc!?

I feel that to. In the shop in Gotheburg, sweden, there is one guy who always pushes it so hard i feel almost guilty to buying something, so that i never whent in there if i clearly dident know what to buy.

The worst was the same guy, when i whent in to buy Swordmasters or phoenix Guards. Like always, there is a shortage, they keep saying they dont get the right amount everytime they order, but wo if its not in its not it.

I ask for swordmasters, he brings out a IOB and pitches on how i can trade skaven with a friend and such and still get swordmaster and a heap of other models, and im like erm...no ( must think im one of the kids around the store) but the top prize was trying to sell me a caradryan finecast instead of PG, wich btw only costs like 100 kr ( 12-13 pounds) less then the box of then plastics. Bought some archers instead and i get the regular, you got Gw-glue, colour, pencil etc etc.

I understand its retail, but jeezh, its a guilt trip to buy something everytime i go in there.

But as i said, im really anti my local GW store, all the exp together made me so, its nice to see some people who finds their great.

But i find it telling that a thread about all kind of manners in warhammer tends to be mostly about the GW stores, must mean im not the only one( by far) to feel that way :=)

[Urgat]

oh, I have one like that; when I bouth that flame-thrower-shaped airbrush thing, I take one air canister along (obviously), and the red shirt tells me I should buy two because it empties fast. So since I bought it pretty much only to test it, I say no thanks. And there the guy insists, he does not go quite as far as telling me I'm wrong in not taking two, but almost. Now I'm a calm guy so I would have politely insisted that no thank you I onlyneedonethankyouverymuch (besides my g/f was with me and I didn't want t look like an ass), but then the resident black shirt came in and told the guy to give me my can and to, basically, leave me alone. Wow. I suppose the guy figured I was about to throw a tantrum or something (which I wasn't), but at the same time, it felt like he was just used to having to deal with his overzealous pawn. Incidentally, I haven't seen that guy at the store the few last times I went there, I suppose he's not there anymore.

Side note: been over a year since and I still haven't tried that airbrush, it's a good thing I didn't buy two cannisters

[yabbadabba]

There's no need to jump from behind pillars and throw streamers in somebody's face - kind of craziness, but more excessively cool hobby/gaming fun, such as organising large apocalypse games 'just for the heck of it'.

Yeah I think we need to draw a line here. "Fun" in a GW store is not about running around shouting waargh!, dressing up as an orc to go to the pub etc. Its about understanding what makes the hobby fun, and then setting up situations that inspire and encourage.

A friend of mine was a manager at Plaza and took on the challenge of creating a Snotling army, then playing with it in an instore tournament. Not only did his sales go up, but all his events linked to this activity were booked out as customers wanted to be a part of the experience. Everyone knew it didn't stand a chance, but he did it anyway. Another mate set out to prove that painting a Iyanden army was not difficult (issues with the old GW yellow) and developed a painting technique where he got 2k painted in a week to tournament standard in store time. And there are countless examples like this.

You don't need wackiness, like dressing up your 5 year old cousin as a Warlord Titan (in tin foil) to play in a 40K game, to make it fun and inspiring.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

Manners? Never grab someone's dice without asking, or touch their models without asking.

Don't forget body parts!

Im not sure this can come under the heading of manners

I'm not the expert on manners but as a dad, I find your signature to be highly offensive and not funny at all.

[Doommasters]

Yeah I think we need to draw a line here. "Fun" in a GW store is not about running around shouting waargh!, dressing up as an orc to go to the pub etc. Its about understanding what makes the hobby fun, and then setting up situations that inspire and encourage.

A friend of mine was a manager at Plaza and took on the challenge of creating a Snotling army, then playing with it in an instore tournament. Not only did his sales go up, but all his events linked to this activity were booked out as customers wanted to be a part of the experience. Everyone knew it didn't stand a chance, but he did it anyway. Another mate set out to prove that painting a Iyanden army was not difficult (issues with the old GW yellow) and developed a painting technique where he got 2k painted in a week to tournament standard in store time. And there are countless examples like this.

You don't need wackiness, like dressing up your 5 year old cousin as a Warlord Titan (in tin foil) to play in a 40K game, to make it fun and inspiring.

^This

Enjoying the hobby that everyone is clearly there to enjoy. Having fun and a laugh is important and is what keeps me going back, once you get ultra competitive and serious it takes away the hobby aspect for me and it becomes more like a job or competitive sport.

At the same time over the top stupidness degrades the experience.....balance people balance

[Doommasters]

Double Post - Internet crapped out on me

[Snake1311]

I'm not the expert on manners but as a dad, I find your signature to be highly offensive and not funny at all.

Maybe you shouldn't leave your little children unattended then :P

[Nymie_the_Pooh]

Don't forget body parts!

This is a bit of a pet peeve, but not directly related to wargaming so I didn't bring it up before. People, and gamers in particular when in a casual environment, can lean towards trying to be almost infuriatingly helpful. I know, it sounds like one of those first world problems. I can't tell you how many times a stranger or somebody I've only met on a couple of occasions has come up behind me to grab my handles and start pushing my chair around without saying a word because they know I am about to move myself and want to make things easier on me. It doesn't get me nearly as worked up as it did the first couple of years, but it's akin to putting blinders on somebody and grabbing their shoulders from behind to guide the person about without ever asking if it was okay to do so first. It's worse now in some ways because I can't see directly behind me, but I have become accustomed to it where the first time it happened I had to resist the urge to punch the guy and he was just trying to help.

I think personal space in general should be respected whenever possible, and I tend to include the property of a person to be an extension of their personal space which therefore extends to their dice, minis, and books.

[The bearded one]

Yeah I think we need to draw a line here. "Fun" in a GW store is not about running around shouting waargh!, dressing up as an orc to go to the pub etc.

To bring forth a related anecdote on this point though, one of the staffmembers dressed up as a catachan fighter for a release (5th 40k I think, could be 4th). Yes, we had a crazy rambo in the store And also a mummy for the TK release.

[The Ked]

This might just be me but something that always annoyed me was staff members getting everyone to scream 'Waaaagh'. I'm not exactly a shy person but I hate shouting in public, partly because I find it rude but also embarassing. I understand why they do it though so its more a pet peeve than anything.

Perfect example of bad manners though is how so many people find it hard to say "excuse me" and just barge past you. I understand it can sometimes be hard to get around the shop if its busy but if I'm in the way and you actually asked I'd apologise and move. Shoving me out the way is not only rude but also risks me dropping what I'm holding/knocking stock off shelves/nudging someone painting.

[dral]

I'm not the expert on manners but as a dad, I find your signature to be highly offensive and not funny at all.

Strange, becoming a dad hasn't made any difference to my ability to accept a joke as just that.