Bretonnian "Grailstar", 2400 points tournament army.

[Rick]

Fantasy Army: BoC

Hey guys! I am planning on building a new army. Something you don't see very often anymore: Bretonnia! Here's the third draft of a list I thought up:


Lords
Bretonnian Lord
-Grail Vow
-Barded Warhorse
-Shield
-Second Virtue of the Impetuous Knight (+D6" on first charge)
-Dragon Helm
-Wyrmlance (Flaming Attacks)
262

Prophetess of the Lady - Lore of Life
-Level 4
-Crown of Command
-Warhorse
-Chalice of Malfleur (+1dd on 2-6)
295

Heroes
Paladin BSB
-Barded Warhorse
-Gromril Great Helm (+1 AS, reroll failed AS. So 2+ rerolable)
-Sword of Might
124

Heroes
Paladin
-Enchanted Shield
-Morningstar
-Grail Vow
-Barded Warhorse
-Virtue of the Impetuous Knight (+D6" on first charge)
142

Damsel of the Lady - Lore of Beasts
-Level 2
-Warhorse
-Dispel scroll
140

10 Peasant Bowmen
-Braziers (Flaming)
-Musician
70

10 Peasant Bowmen
-Braziers
-Musician
70

10 Peasant Bowmen
-Braziers
-Musician
70

11 Knight's Errant
-Musician
-Standard
-Errantry Banner (+1S on charge)
261

10 Knight of the Realm
Standard
Musician
Banner of Eternal Flame
274

Special
3 Pegasus Knights
-Musician
175

Rare
10 Grail Knights
-Musician
-Standard
-Banner of Swiftness
425

Field Trebuchet
90
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2398


If anyone has any ideas on how to find 23 points in this list to get the Mane of the Purebreed on the lvl 2 I would be very happy! All I see is the musician on the peg knights and the musicians from the archers.

The idea is to get the lord and grail vow paladin in the grail knight unit. This unit charges somewhere in between 13" and 33". About 24" inches on average. When this unit charges it dashes out 22 S6 attacks, of which four are flaming and on higher initiative. Put this unit on a flank and people are quite likely to under estimate their speed.

The lvl 4 and the BSB go in the knights of the realm. The knights errant will be kept close by, since you need at least two lances of knights to break something nowadays.

The peg knights and archers are pretty self explaining I guess.

I don't have two trebuchets because the local tournament scene does not allow double rare slots.

Any thoughts on how this will perform?

[Juicy21]

the second virtue of imp knight.. cost double its points so not worth it.. youre better of with the traditional heroic killing blow lord. its 234 points for a lord that really nasty..
Bretonnian lord (general) 234pts
-knights vow
-virtue of Heroism
-Sword of swift slaying
-gromril greathelm
-potion of foolhardiness
-shield,barded warhorse


try this settup out.. then switch your bsb to

Paladin bsb 124pts
-knights vow
-Sword of might
-dawnstone
-charmed shield
-barded warhorse

and your golden.

some more advise. in a tourney that unit of grailknights with al those characters are gonna be dead on avarage turn 2 cause ALLLL your points are in there.. grail knights die just as easy as any other knight.. so al your oppents fire is on that unit..
my advise is give your characterbunker a unit of realms.. grails are deadly enough with just 9 of them they really dont need al those characters in them.. that means your oppenent has more units to focus..

in my own expierience an unit of 49 men at arms with a prayer icon. are one of our best troops!! .. heck they owned a unit of 34 saurus warriors+scar vet.. last friday.. al those men at arm boddies are just wonderfull.. really rick try it out. its only 260 points and switch the scroll on your caddie for that prayer icon.. and your golden!!.

those units of 10 archers dont really need that musician.. your savond yourself 10 points to keep them out.. same goes for the musician on your peg knights.. you really dont need it..

just my 2 cents nice to see a fellow bretonnian player in a tourney tho.. I dont see mutch of them anymore..

Goodluck i hope my 2 cents can help your some how

[Rick]

the second virtue of imp knight.. cost double its points so not worth it.. youre better of with the traditional heroic killing blow lord. its 234 points for a lord that really nasty..
Bretonnian lord (general) 234pts
-knights vow
-virtue of Heroism
-Sword of swift slaying
-gromril greathelm
-potion of foolhardiness
-shield,barded warhorse

A lord of that build, I would rather put him on a Pegasus. Right now my lord is kitted out for an entirely different purpose. I know I pay 70 points for the extra D6" charge, but I recon it is game changing enough to be worth it. Next to having 4 flaming attacks at higher initiative than the rest of the grail knight bus, takes care of all regenerating nasty things out there too!

On a Warhorse, for a Heroic Killing Blow lord, I would consider this build:

Bretonnian lord
-knights vow
-virtue of Heroism
-Sword of Strife
-Dragonhelm
-Potion of Foolhardiness
-Luckstone
-Shield
-Barded warhorse

7 attacks on the (devastating) charge.

Paladin bsb 124pts
-knights vow
-Sword of might
-dawnstone
-charmed shield
-barded warhorse

and your golden.

Interesting build. I will try that!

some more advise. in a tourney that unit of grailknights with al those characters are gonna be dead on avarage turn 2 cause ALLLL your points are in there.. grail knights die just as easy as any other knight.. so al your oppents fire is on that unit..
my advise is give your characterbunker a unit of realms.. grails are deadly enough with just 9 of them they really dont need al those characters in them.. that means your oppenent has more units to focus..

The grail knights only have to survive one turn of shooting. There's roughly 850 points in that unit. Let's say 40% of my army. It's an expensive basket but I say not all eggs are in there, and it's worth the gamble!

in my own expierience an unit of 49 men at arms with a prayer icon. are one of our best troops!! .. heck they owned a unit of 34 saurus warriors+scar vet.. last friday.. al those men at arm boddies are just wonderfull.. really rick try it out. its only 260 points and switch the scroll on your caddie for that prayer icon.. and your golden!!.

Yet they are slow. The "caddie" actually has a function in the army. I am just not too fond of slow peasants when all my knights will be in combat on the first two turns. Besides, I am coming from an all infantry High Elf army, so this is nice for a change!

those units of 10 archers dont really need that musician.. your savond yourself 15 points to keep them out.. same goes for the musician on your peg knights.. you really dont need it..

Yea I figured that much. A 4" wheel will get you quite far as well with those small units. Dropping the music on those units frees up 25 points for the Mane of the Purebreed on the lvl 2. I like!

just my 2 cents nice to see a fellow bretonnian player in a tourney tho.. I dont see mutch of them anymore..

Goodluck i hope my 2 cents can help your some how

Exactly! There's an advantage as well. People don't know this army anymore!

I think I'm going to be a stubborn fool with the grail knight unit, because all my characters are built with a specific purpose to be as fast and hard hitting as possible!

[Juicy21]

I wish you goodluck with your tourney.

The lord settup i wrote to you has 1 thing that makes him stand out.. he has with the rerolls to hit with higher I and asf. has a good chance in nocking anything out.. those 7 attack without the asf/reroll sounds better then it does ingame tho.. + gromrilhelm gives this lord a 1+ rerol armoursave.. withs makes it worth a lot.. try him out

i am interested in how your tourney will go..

[Rick]

I wish you goodluck with your tourney.

The lord settup i wrote to you has 1 thing that makes him stand out.. he has with the rerolls to hit with higher I and asf. has a good chance in nocking anything out.. those 7 attack without the asf/reroll sounds better then it does ingame tho.. + gromrilhelm gives this lord a 1+ rerol armoursave.. withs makes it worth a lot.. try him out

i am interested in how your tourney will go..

I still have to build the army. I only recently finished my High Elves, which can be seen here:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...-High-Elf-Army

I like to build up to a list, instead of random models. So if I have a good start to build from, I can always build new models and alter the list from there!

[Sarael]

I agree that small archer units don't need a musician, but the peg knights do, IMO. You kinda want to ensure that they regroup after a flee. Archers are better off shooting when charged, so they cause a little damage, otherwise they flee off the board and were wasted points.

[DrMooreFlava]

I think a grailstar is just not worth it. There are too many spells and shooting attacks that ignore armor saves out there that 10 wounds is just not enough to classify your unit as a deathstar. 5+ ward is nice but savage big uns can get that and they run in horde of 30+ minimum and do more damage.

Bretts just aren't a deathstar army. They don't have enough attacks per model, this is exactly why bretts will be getting monsterous cav. This is not to say that bretts aren't a good army, they just don't have that savage orc big un/chosen/irongut type deathstar unit. Consider it a metagame/tactical disadvantage.