Are ethereal units or units with ethereal movement (meaning black knights, can't think of much else that has this rule) immune to dangerous terrain tests? Are they immune to all terrain damage that involves moving through it?
It's come up a lot lately and I'd like a rundown on what they are able to safely ignore and what they should avoid if possible.
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Spectral Steeds, Ethereal Steeds, and Ethereals treat all terrain as open terrain. Pg. 68 (BRB), Pg. 51 VC army book.
However, they can not end their movement on such terrain.
They can't end their movement on impassable terrain.
All other terrain is just open terrain, so no effects at all.
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What about if they were forced to take dangerous terrain tests because of say, the curse of Anraheir, or if there was a boiling flood or statue causing them hits?
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The curse of Anraheir makes all terrain, including Open Terrain, count as Dangerous Terrain.
Ethereal models are only protected from dangerous terrain by virtue of treating all terrain as Open Terrain, so once that terrain is also Dangerous, they too must test. However, the terrain type is still Open Terrain for the ethereal models: If they have Curse of Anraheir cast on them while in a Venom Thicket they still get to ignore the dangers of the Venom Thicket and only test for certain types of movement as described for Dangerous Terrain in the rules for terrain.
This means that a normal model in a Venom Thicket must test for any kind of movement, but an ethereal model need only test if it makes a charge, march, overun, pursuit or flee move.
Edit: (p.68) "...Ethereal creatures can only be wounded by spells, magical attacks and magic weapons or effects."
So, uh, they make Dangerous Terrain tests if required, but they won't actually lose wounds from failing them. I guess that if there ever was an additional effect to failing a Dangerous Terrain test that would apply. Doesn't seem likely, though.
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Last edited by T10; 23-07-2012 at 21:49.
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You can answer this one quickly. Are the hits magical? If not save your time rolling dice and move on. They could take a 100 hits from dangerous terrain/boiling rivers whatever. Unless it's a magical attack their fine.Originally Posted by Kayosiv
I edited my previous post, by the way, but then I thought of something.
Skeleton Steeds allow the model to treat all terrain as Open Terrain*, but as I pointed out this in itself does not allow them to ignore Dangerous Terrain tests. Furthermore, Skeleton Steeds don't make the model Ethereal. Without the actual Ethereal special rule any failed Dangerous Terrain tests will result in the model taking a wound!
*) And then I realized they grant the Ethereal special rule "for the purposes of movement only". But even so: With regards to movement the Ethereal special rule only deals with treating terrain.x as "open terrain". And this in itself still doesn't grant the ability to ignore any Dangerous Terrain tests that might apply to open terrain.
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Last edited by T10; 23-07-2012 at 22:00.
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Yes absolutely. If for whatever reason Black Knights treat Open Terrain as Dangerous Terrain they'll still take wounds on failed dangerous terrain tests.
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Sorry to disagree but they do not take any wounds according to the ethereal rules. Quote "Ethereal creatures can ONLY be wounded by spells, magical attacks and magical weapons or effects." A dangerous terrain wound is not any of those.
But Black Knights are not Ethereal, they just get the movement benefits from the Ethereal rule.
Whoops...true. Guess that's what I get for not having my coffee before posting....lol
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