Most Sucsessful Invasion in warhammer

[warboss6820]

I was wondering if who people thought showed the old world whos boss and who didnt. I assume archeon will be topping the worse invasion list (storm of chaos and all) But for best maybe gorbad or grom. I remember somewhere someone refered to gorbad as the archeon of the orcs but he did so much better (killing an emporor and all) and didnt grom nearly destroy the world. i mean it was an acident but you know whatever it doesn't matter how it happened. Also both survived their own invasions (supposedly). Archeon did this but it was because a crazy black orc spared him (gork knows why).

[Arnizipal]

Grom was the most succesful, Gorbad probably comes in second.
On sheer destruction level, Archaon didn't even do that badly.
He was certainly more succesful than every other everchosen (Asaval Kul didn't even get past Kislev for example).

[woodster17]

Yeah Gorbad did pretty well, laying waste to 2 entire provinces and rendering Solland completely uninhabitable to an extent that it's not even a province anymore. Grom too did a decent job, Ulthuan was pretty devastated (Yvresse is still suffering the effects) in the aftermath of his invasion of the Empire.

Throwing the hat in to the ring for Vlad von Carstein though. He has come the closest to annihilating the Empire completely by besieging the gates of Altdorf before eventually being defeated. The War of the Vampires lasted 200 odd years aswell, not a singular invasion so it certainly spread resources thinner.

[Arnizipal]

Technically it's not an invasion though. Vlad's forces came from within the Empire

[Urgat]

Definitively Grom. He wouldn't have had that silly fleet idea, the Old World would have be his. Plain and simple.

[woodster17]

Technically it's not an invasion though. Vlad's forces came from within the Empire

I would argue that Sylvania is on the outside looking in. Nobody in the Empire in their right minds would claim that Sylvania is governed by the Emperor but see where you coming from.

[Scammel]

Yeah, it's Grom without a doubt. He pretty much defeated the Empire and Dwarves outright, stopping short of destroying them because, well, it appears he didn't want to.

Asaval Kul didn't even get past Kislev for example

In fairness, Archaon just bypassed Kislev and AFAIK didn't manage to truly destroy any major city (I'm thinking of Praag).

[grumbaki]

I'd say it was the Arabyan invasion of Estalia.

"In IC 1448, the Sultan Jaffar united all of Araby, ruling it with an iron fist. Convinced by the nefarious Skaven that the Estalian Kingdoms were planning an invasion, he gathered a vast army and prepared his fleet for war.
Jaffar landed in southern Estalia and quickly seized Magritta before advancing on Bilbali. As his army marched north thousands of slaves were taken and sent back Araby in chains, to be sold at the terrible slave markets of Lashiek."

http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wik..._Against_Araby

[Scammel]

I was under the impression that Estalia wasn't all that militarily powerful as it's protected from the worst attentions of disorder by the Empire and Bretonnia. Jaffar also seems to have been repulsed fairly easily.

[Craze_b0i]

Nagash vs Nekkhara, wiped out an entire civilisation.

Ogres vs Sky Titans, pretty much the same thing.

[grumbaki]

(1) The question isn't which was the hardest, but instead which was the most successful. How many countries have been totally conquered in the warhammer world?

(2) For "easiness", I wouldn't call Estalia a push over. We don't know much, except that "The peninsula is renowned for its diestros, skilled duellists who carry finely crafted swords made from superior Estalian steel, and who ply their trade across the Old World. As in Tilea, military affairs are usually left to mercenaries, the so-called condottieri or Dogs of War. A typical force will include caballeros (heavy cavalry), bandolieros (handgunners) and hombres villanos (swordsmen)." And that both Magritta and Bilbali are powerful ports.

It took three years for both Bretonnia and the most of the Empire's knightly orders to push the Arabyans out. That isn't a walk in the park.

[The bearded one]

I'd say it was the Arabyan invasion of Estalia.

"In IC 1448, the Sultan Jaffar united all of Araby, ruling it with an iron fist. Convinced by the nefarious Skaven that the Estalian Kingdoms were planning an invasion, he gathered a vast army and prepared his fleet for war.
Jaffar landed in southern Estalia and quickly seized Magritta before advancing on Bilbali. As his army marched north thousands of slaves were taken and sent back Araby in chains, to be sold at the terrible slave markets of Lashiek."

http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wik..._Against_Araby

I was under the impression that Estalia wasn't all that militarily powerful as it's protected from the worst attentions of disorder by the Empire and Bretonnia. Jaffar also seems to have been repulsed fairly easily.

I'd actually call the Arabian invasion of Estalia one of the least succesful, in that after he invaded Estalia, The crusades of the Bretonnian and Empire knights came in force, pushed back Jaffar, and ultimately destroyed the Arabyan capitol and cities. Biggest backfire!

Nagash vs Nekkhara, wiped out an entire civilisation.

Well, not so much as a result of his invasions, but more of him being repulsed by the Nehekharans (led by Alcadizaar) and then going the "oh yeah, well if I can't have Nehekhara.. nobody can!"-route, by poisoning the river vitae and killing 9/10ths of the population, before killing everybody and raising all the dead with his great ritual.

Ogres vs Sky Titans, pretty much the same thing.

That's a pretty good one actually, yeah.



Another contender is the first daemonic invasion, after the collapse of the polar gates. This invasion laid low the civilisations of the lizardmen, elves and dwarfs, permanently scarred the world and broke the power of the slann. Even their defeat was just a case of delaying the inevitable, because of the vortex is broken, the world is still doomed.

[ArtificerArmour]

I'd actually be tempted to say tamurkhan, even though he trekked basically across the world to get to the empire

[grumbaki]

I suppose the dwarf invasion of the high elf colonies during the war of vengeance could count too. Dwarf holds lost: 0, elf colonies permantly lost: all of them.

[The bearded one]

I'd actually be tempted to say tamurkhan, even though he trekked basically across the world to get to the empire

Didn't he get beaten in front of the gates of Nuln? As far as invasions go, that's pretty poor because we all know noone takes you seriously unless you've sacked Nuln

I suppose the dwarf invasion of the high elf colonies during the war of vengeance could count too. Dwarf holds lost: 0, elf colonies permantly lost: all of them.

The eventual trackrecord heavily favours the dwarfs (0 holds lost, 0 high kings lost, 0 crowns lost vs unspecified # of cities, 1 phoenix king, 1 phoenix crown ), it did take them about 400 years, and it is never specified howmany colonies or cities of the elves were destroyed. We only know of 2, really (Tor Alessi and Athel Maraya).

[Drasanil]

The eventual trackrecord heavily favours the dwarfs (0 holds lost, 0 high kings lost, 0 crowns lost vs unspecified # of cities, 1 phoenix king, 1 phoenix crown ), it did take them about 400 years, and it is never specified howmany colonies or cities of the elves were destroyed. We only know of 2, really (Tor Alessi and Athel Maraya).

I wouldn't say that exactly, Starbreaker's direct line was wiped out in the war. IIRC didn't his nephew Morgrimm become high king after him since he had no heirs left? Managing to get your direct line whipped out is a pretty big failing as a Hereditary Monarch.

[woodster17]

The Ogres destruction of the Sky Titans, while successful, was not an invasion as opposed to a forced migration as a result of the meteor strike/ Great Maw. The Sky Titans simply happened to be in the same area that the Ogres had migrated to.

[The bearded one]

I wouldn't say that exactly, Starbreaker's direct line was wiped out in the war. IIRC didn't his nephew Morgrimm become high king after him since he had no heirs left? Managing to get your direct line whipped out is a pretty big failing as a Hereditary Monarch.

All we know is his son died in the early stages of the war, but a fairly close relative took over the line and title, so there is fairly little discrepancy on the 'hereditaryness' of the line of high kings. While Starbreaker lost his son, the elves lost their colonies and all holdings in the old world (and as far as I know, they held a considerable amount of land in Bretonnia, Tilea and the future empire, which is quite a lot of territory to lose), never mind their king and a precious heirloom. I don't believe the phoenix crown was magical or enchanted though, the dwarf crown is marked with a powerful master rune.

[Drasanil]

All we know is his son died in the early stages of the war, but a fairly close relative took over the line and title, so there is fairly little discrepancy on the 'hereditaryness' of the line of high kings.

You're ignoring the point that he lost *his* bloodline, that a close relative got the crown doesn't change that, he failed one of his primary duties as a hereditary monarch which was ensuring *his* succession not his brother's or his cousin's. The fact the war went on for centuries after Snorri's death just proves his failure, he had plenty of time to squirt a new princeling into comely lass' belly.

As for Caledor and the Pheopnix Crown, I didn't dispute that, so what's your point?

[KentishNomad]

The smashing of the Slann/Elves/Dwarves simultaneously by the Daemonic powers seems the obvious choice to me.

Second comes Nagash because he basically wiped out a civilisation.