How do you think your Legion will be affected by the new CSM book.

[avatarofportent]

I'm a huge Night Lords freak. Love them, the ADB books have been a revelation for me. I remember 6 months back there was a rumor of a Night Lords character for the new codex, he was supposed to be some sort of assassin. Haven't heard anything new about it. I don't know what the chances of a Night Lords SC are, but I would say low. The ADB books have done alot to increase the popularity of the NL's but I think out of the 9 traitor legions, they are in the bottom 3 for popularity of people having armies.
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I think the big things that will help define our army will be the changes to Raptors. Two types apparently. The rumor says they'll count as daemons so that means Fear and 5++ save. So we're going to have 3/5++ Jump Troops. That has me stoked. I think having super customizable Chosen will help define the army too, especially if they still infiltrate.

I don't see the NL's using a lot of the Daemonic stuff in the book, like the Dragon, or Daemon Engines. So I think us purist NL players will stick to Chosen, Raptors, Assault Marines, Terminators, Sorcerors, Chaos Lords, Daemon Prince and Tanks. Maybe possessed too (The Exalted...). I'm also going to use cultists as cannon fodder, more as human slaves that the NL's have been known to keep around.

I have a full 3000pts of Daemons to ally with my NL's but I feel dirty doing it, like it's not suppose to be that way. They have been known to cause enough bloodshed to attract daemons but I don't think they would willingly fight alongside them.

I hope their is a way to get Stealth into the army, by buying a USR or something. Anyways. How do you think your Legion will be effected by the CSM book if the most recent rumors are accurate?

[mostlyharmless]

I played Iron Warriors back in the day. When the last codex came out, I saw my legion fade into obscurity because I could no longer use any of the things that made my legion special. I basically shelved my guys and started playing Black Templars. I still have a chaos'd up basilisk sitting in my closet that I have no use for. I think this will revitalize my Iron Warriors and make me want to play them again, despite the fact that I also happen to have some built, but not painted, Emperor's Children. When the new codex comes out, it will be decision time: stick with the Noise Marines or get back to my roots. We shall see.

Iron Within, Iron Without.

[Charistoph]

...Well, since my Legion is VII Imperial Fists, so probably nothing.

As for my Cursed Warband who are a remnant of a Successor Chapter, maybe a lot. The core of my warband is a demi-Battle Company with a specialist squad or two to fill in. These specialists would be Rubrics (Thousand Sones), Apothecaries (Plague Marines), Chosen, or Terminators (though, right now, it's just the Rubrics). So I'm not looking at a lot of major losses in this change, and maybe a few improvements, depending on how well I can fit Daemonic Engines in.

[Jayden63]

I'm concerned about my Emperor's Children. The current Chaos Daemons for Slannesh are not all that tough, so I'm hoping for better summoning rules with icons. I also built my EC to be close combat oriented to take advantage of the higher initiative. I hope the designers just didn't think only along the lines of sonic weapons for noise marines. We can/should be pretty choppy as well to take advantage if the higher Init.

[Mercutius]

I play Night Lords since I play 40k, and that started with the beginning of 3ed :-). I'm a huge fan of that legion, and in the first place I was thinkin' the same as you do, but in the end, not at all.

And this is because of the also very famous novell 'Lord of the Night' by Spurrier. If you have'nt read it by now, you should do that, it is one of my most favorits.

To make it short: in this novell, in the end come a huge brood of Night Lords, they were led by an Deamon Prince and had a lot of possesed in them, and were sayin' that the idear of the 'purity' were just plain wrong.

so I think in the end you can play what you want, even though I can understand that one want the 'pure way' to go with them.

But they were one of the first legions, they were one of the biggest and I'm very shure that they had just all of the wargear at they're proposal that a legion could have. And even though the legion breaks appart, after the dead of the night haunter on tsagualsa, the equipment should be there, and some of the forming warbands must have taken and use it. Even if it were the parts that serve to the corsairs .

Or perhaps I just still want to use my heavyl converted land raider *lol* .

But regardless of the look of an Night Lord army, one or two Raptor squads would be very iconic, I think. And if it would be possible to by 'night vision' for your troops, I would by that for everyone in my army, regardless of the point costs. I think that would be very Night-Lordish :-).

[sprugly]

I've built a khorne warband with juggernaut riders using the wolf dex, basically if there is somethin in the new codex that they can count as I'll use the new book, if not I'll have to stick with the wolves.

Sprugly

[grandmasterfred]

I honestly don't see Gw really doing anything with the alpha legion what I sincerely. Hope will be the case is that there will be some manner of vanilla legion rules that will make. Army's like the word bearers,night lords, and alpha legion playable perhaps brining back the old codexs ability to give models special rules. I also really hope that there is some more customization with the hqs actually make them comparable to there (mongrel) counterparts in the loyalist codexes.....

[Overlord Krycis]

From everything I've heard so far...I think my Death Guard will trudge on exactly like they always did, except I can now get pseudo-cult Terminators/other units than Plague Marines.

Not to mention I use things like Defilers, Havocs and Possessed which seem to get better!

[Jogi]

It would be nice to see GW continue the idea of the SM codex over for the new CSM(L?) Codex by focusing a bit more detail on a few legions - Black Legion and the four major god followers would be my guess but also making sure all of the first founding legions have a special character that changes their rule in some way. It could be the Night Lords character giving them all infiltrate or the Iron Warriors allowing certain heavies as troops, obviously all useable for successor/breakaway factions. It is one of the simplest ideas to give flavour to an army without having a Codex that needed to cover everything in detail and as such would compete in size with the BRB.

Saying that I am a fluff freak so give me a huge book of Chaos stuff please.

[Cheexsta]

It's hard to tell just yet, but so far I like the reported changes for my World Eaters. I'll have to see the full context before I get truly excited, of course.

Chaos lords seem to be getting better, which is good. 6th edition was already kind to them IMHO, thanks to improvements to Fearless and Independent Characters, but making them more customisable and having their own Warlord traits table sounds fun. Eye of the Gods looks interesting and will make for some great character developments. I like that the general vibe is that Chaos Lords will be the villains they're meant to be once more.

Berzerkers...sadly, I don't think they're going to turn out well this edition. Since all they can do is assault and 6th edition favours flexible units, I really hope that they become much cheaper to compensate (and I mean no more than about 18pts per model). That said, since Forgeworld's updates have made Dreadclaws into assault vehicles...maybe there is hope.

The lack of explicit Cult Terminators is disappointing, but the Icon/Mark system should mostly compensate. Furious Charge and Rage are obvious choices, but we'll see how flexible the system turns out.

New Raptors and "Mauler" Obliterators sound awesome, as do Daemon Engines and the Dragon. Very happy that I kept my Defilers rather than selling them. The addition of Cultists means that I won't have to rely on allied IG to get cheap scoring units/meatshields, and the Dragon sounds like I won't need allied Daemons to get some good FMC action.

Overall, I could see my typical army looking something like this:
- Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour
- Squad of pseudo-Cult Terminators (or Maulers, depending on what they're like)
- ~3 units of Berzerkers with Rhino walls
- 1-2 big-ish units of Cultists (just so I can yell "We captured it for CHAAAYOOSS!" when they take an objective)
- A Dragon or two for AA support

It all depends on points and FOC allocations and such, but I could see the above fitting in 2000pts.

[Killgore]

Rather then restrict myself like many other Chaos players do, my Word Bearer army has always had a selection of everything.

So apart from the extra new goodies I doubt my army will change much at all.

[Col. Dash]

The idea of Night Lords = raptors is a new thing. Chaos didnt even used to be able to have that option. I am hoping for a special character that does something besides add raptors as troops. A good USR would be nice, the old Night Lord disruption table would be nicer(Im not holding my breath). My overall hope is that they will reflect the Legions as experienced troops that have been fighting in some cases for thousands of years. Maybe not buff their stats(although realistically they have gained that much exp and should have minimums of 5s on WS and BS) but allow veteran skills like in the old dex to reflect what they have learned.

[the_picto]

I've built a khorne warband with juggernaut riders using the wolf dex, basically if there is somethin in the new codex that they can count as I'll use the new book, if not I'll have to stick with the wolves.

Sprugly

An allied unit of bloodcrushers? You'd need a hq and unit of bloodletters too.

[Kevlar]

I pretty much ignore the legions and take what works, so I'm sure my CSM army will be fine.

[Col. Dash]

The Picto, I am in the same boat as you in that respect, I use an all Night Lord Terminator force in drop pods using space wolf rules. I seriously doubt I will see a CSM character that lets me do this except maybe Abbaddon(note that isnt a rule rumor I have heard, just speculation of the only current character that would make sense IF they did it). I am hearing some very disturbing rumors in the rumor forum, no cult terminators(FAIL), stupid flying dragon thing(FAIL) no rumors at all of Night Lords(FAIL)

[laudarkul]

I'm an Imperial player...But slowly I started to buy FW Alpha Legion / Space Marines stuff as well as some GW AL shoulder pads... I just want them to be (rule-wise) as in Abnett books. Stealthy / able to use operatives / overwhelming firepower. This means maybe also some oblits/defilers (which I do not want it too much because I want my warband to be still loyal to the Imperium ). But I'll see . The bulk of the force will be pure preheresy AL with some additions if I want to play them using CSM/Daemons codexes.

[Cheexsta]

An allied unit of bloodcrushers? You'd need a hq and unit of bloodletters too.

This. We don't need Brazen Knights when we have allied Bloodcrushers Even if they're modelled as Berzerkers, it's not too much of a leap to represent them with Bloodcrusher rules.

The Picto, I am in the same boat as you in that respect, I use an all Night Lord Terminator force in drop pods using space wolf rules. I seriously doubt I will see a CSM character that lets me do this except maybe Abbaddon(note that isnt a rule rumor I have heard, just speculation of the only current character that would make sense IF they did it). I am hearing some very disturbing rumors in the rumor forum, no cult terminators(FAIL), stupid flying dragon thing(FAIL) no rumors at all of Night Lords(FAIL)

I don't want to sound like I'm picking out your posts, but I have to disagree with your assessment again.

Cult Terminators: you play NL, so I don't understand your point. Plus, the Icon system looks to be very flexible, so win (sucks to be Tzeentch, though, but that's normal ).
Dragon: don't knock it till you see it.
Rules for Night Lords: take the fear icon, easy. I never liked that they used to have Stealth and Night Vision, it encouraged too much of a static shooty army, IMHO.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

It'll be nice to have a Dark Apostle again. Crossing my fingers that possessed will be worth using for once. Really, though, most of my changes will come down to efficiency and points costs.

[Col. Dash]

I have models to make cult terms, I have also been planning a thousand sons army for awhile based around Cult Terminators, not having them kind of screws that plan over. As for icons, why? They dont carry icons around with them. They are just scary and losing the guy carrying an icon shouldnt change that fact, they just are. Vet skills are the only way to do this correctly. Night Vision should be a USR for the NL legion, they barely light their ships because they see just fine in the dark. One of the reasons Space Wolves make better Night Lords than CSM marines, they at least get acute vision and act like veterans with counter attack.

I just hope they dont force me to play demonic in order to play NLs and have to use icons, which are a silly idea in the first place. Maybe if its more like a tattoo or helm markings and the whole squad gets them.
NL marine 1: "Joe Bob got killed"
NL Marine 2: "That sucks, he had the fear icon."
NL Marine 1: "Guess we arent scary anymore"
NL Marine 2: <sad panda>

[SideshowLucifer]

Woohoo, fear, the rule that affects almost nothing that matters. As a Night Lord player from way back, I also don't see the new codex doing anything to entice me back into the fold. I'll have to see how they handle the cult troops for thousand sons and noise marines though to see if I'll be tempted.