How do you think your Legion will be affected by the new CSM book.

[Chem-Dog]

An allied unit of bloodcrushers? You'd need a hq and unit of bloodletters too.

Or you need Two Heralds (counting as one FOC slot) Both on Juggers and a single unit of five 'Letters. That's a potentially ten Blood Crushers with only the additional out-lay of less than 100 points, that's a cheap objective grabbing unit and a humongous killdozer of a super unit in one fell swoop.

While you're about it make Skullcrusher one of those Heralds. those 4+rending attacks will do for any terminators he encounters....


Anyway, I'm not sure how my Emperors Children will play out, looks like Noise Marines are getting Salvo weapons (which I suspected the second I saw the rule in the BRB) so a lot depends on how many shots they get and what sort of potency they have.

MvS' stellar Chaos Legion Fandexes have happily reconciled me with an EC's army that isn't entirely composed of Noise Marines though, so I'll be experimenting with the Non-Raptor Jump Packers, Bikers and a few of the gnarly things it sounds like CSM's are getting. A long discussion about Chaos Dreadnoughts and Slaanesh Champions had some time ago on the Background forum has me hankering to do a Slaaneshi Dread. Noise Marine version if possible, but not necessary.

I've had the design for a Lord on a Bike in my head for some time too, so I'm definitely going to look at a Biker Contingent (it helps that Bikes are pretty solid in 6th).

So, in short, as long as it's feasibly Emperor's Children or notably Slaanesh oriented, it's a contender, this army may well be the one that keeps growing long past any useful size.

[Gensuke626]

A good USR would be nice, the old Night Lord disruption table would be nicer(Im not holding my breath).

I've heard about this Night Lord Disruption Table a few times over the years but I can't seem to track it down. What edition/book/WD was it from?

[Col. Dash]

It was in third edition. I havent had a copy of it in years, but it was in an old WD Index Astartes article back when they were doing multipage pure fluff articles on all the main chapters and legions. It was a series of articles that really let you know that the original designers watched a lot of movies and had zero originality. Every chapter or legion is based off a movie. Anyway, it was a little more brutal than the old Pathfinder disruption chart, but you only got one roll per enemy unit instead of one roll per enemy unit per pathfinder squad like the eldar got.

[NitrosOkay]

Thousand Sons have sucked for what, four codexes in a row now?

Not getting my hopes up. Just give us some cool toys.

[Chem-Dog]

Thousand Sons have sucked for what, four codexes in a row now?

Really? I thought they were pretty damn cool when they had two wounds apeice.

[NitrosOkay]

Really? I thought they were pretty damn cool when they had two wounds apeice.

You paid 11 points per model for 2 wounds. You could buy two Chaos Marines for 3 points more than a Thousand Son.

And they didn't have any special bolters then. Or an invulnerable save.

I guess by that standard they're actually steadily getting better. From completely worthless to merely subpar.

What actually sank them in the current book was the grossly overpriced aspiring sorceror. I'm really curious what will happen with him.

[Omegon]

I play Iron Warriors.
The changes that they are bringing in do affect me but in a good way.
I want MASSES of Cultists (slave soldiers) a la Storm of Iron, a Fortification (I'm hoping the Codex will have it's own buildings, if no I'll take a bastion/Fortress of Redemption)and plenty of Daemon Engines.
Essentially, as per the IW battle tactics use as few of them as possible backed up with expendable resources and heavy ordinance to get the job done. I can see me becoming more defensive though.

[MaliceXR3]

I play Thousand Sons...............my optimism died long ago

[Lord Zarkov]

You paid 11 points per model for 2 wounds. You could buy two Chaos Marines for 3 points more than a Thousand Son.

And they didn't have any special bolters then. Or an invulnerable save.

I guess by that standard they're actually steadily getting better. From completely worthless to merely subpar.

What actually sank them in the current book was the grossly overpriced aspiring sorceror. I'm really curious what will happen with him.

They were OK at the start of third. No Sorcerer leader, but not S&P and with two wounds and All is Dust which made them immune to weapons with a strength of less than 5. The only downside was they couldn't charge.

[Fluxeor]

My Legion will likely get a boost. Primarily because I actually sold off all my World Eaters (I never did like having them all being Zerkers and thus painted everything in Post-Heresy WE colours) before 3rd edition hit and the new codex (and starter set) might see me revisit them.

[Hragnar Goreskull]

The only thing i want for my small CSM army is a Huron model or stat line that includes him in Termy armor. I mean he had a set during the Badab war, did that melta bomb to the face make him allergic or something? The rest of the new additions will be just more whipped cream for my pie,

[NitrosOkay]

They were OK at the start of third. No Sorcerer leader, but not S&P and with two wounds and All is Dust which made them immune to weapons with a strength of less than 5. The only downside was they couldn't charge.

They haven't had immunity to S4 since 2nd edition. When Third Edition came out there were the little army lists in the rulebook itself. Thousand Sons were just marines with 2 wounds, no grenades and fearless at 18 points per model who were elites.

That wasn't too bad but then came the dark days of 25 points per model for the same thing but with slow and purposeful and initiative 1. Oh and the tacking on of the tradtionally overpriced aspiring sorceror.

[Lord Zarkov]

They haven't had immunity to S4 since 2nd edition. When Third Edition came out there were the little army lists in the rulebook itself. Thousand Sons were just marines with 2 wounds, no grenades and fearless at 18 points per model who were elites.

That wasn't too bad but then came the dark days of 25 points per model for the same thing but with slow and purposeful and initiative 1. Oh and the tacking on of the tradtionally overpriced aspiring sorceror.

They definitely had All is Dust in C:CSM 3.0 as well, I remember when Tau first came out there was a big fuss about how TS were now 'useless' as the Tau's basic weapons could hurt them. I'm fairly sure they had it in the Rulebook List as well, but I can't check until Friday afternoon.

I also vaguely recall playing a friend using 3.0 with the IA TS list while I had an early release of 3.5 (from the army deal) - I'm pretty sure I got creamed as his TS units were a) cheaper, and b) immune to nearly all of my shooting, even if I did have bucket-o-sorcerers.

[totgeboren]

I'm worried that Dark Apostles will be like the Chaplains of the SM codex. That is, a nice buffer, but not really fit to be the leader of a force (things like 2W, low WS/I/A and with a distinct lack of upgrade options). To get a leader-type Chaplain, you will be forced to use a SC. This is what I expect, but there is always count-as so I think I'll be fine. Unless we don't even get a SC Dark Apostle with 3 wounds.

[Asher]

The Plaguemarines get a point more expensive apparently, which is not to bad. They are still very solid troops and are supposed to get poisoned weapons, which is quite a CC boost.

I'm more interested about the additional units we might get and how they will fit into the legion.

[Azazel]

Plague Marines get 1 point more expensive if rumours are to be believed.

My Legion will probably not be affected since I play Black Legion. It'd be nice if the Warmaster didn't poke himself in the eye with his sword all the time though.

[LotusCorgi]

Long time AL collector. I pray to the chaos gods that there is a little blurb of fluff setting strait this (non)issue of AL being loyal to the Imperium. Gather round young'uns. PDA (pre Dan Abnett) the AL did not have this conceit of being a loyalist faction, operating in secret from inside the imperium. (I realize that DA has said this idea has existed for as long as the AL, eh, if you say so, fair enough) In the olden days very little was known about the inner workings of the AL. This was their main attration for me. I could use the mystery factior to my advantage while designing my warband. No home planet, mystery primarch whereabouts unknown, etc. They seemed like a true "neutral" chaos legion. An edition later fluff develops. The lack of fluff for the AL is explained as the trademark secrecy of the legion. They don't operate in the EoT but with-in the imperium it's self. And also that the knowlege about the legion might be misdirection or lies. Fast forward to the novel Legion. Excelent novel. Nice explainations about the early history of the AL and their fall from grace. Nice twist. And now all I read on warseer is that the AL is ALL BUT a loyal legion! I hope the new dex sheds some light on the AL making them bad guys again. I am losing my boner for a AL warband when I see polls on warseer saying should my "alpha legion be loyal or traitor?" Can it be disputed that, The AL has well and truly damned themselves (for the emperor) and have permenently severed their ties of fealty to the Imperium? And all the LIES. The AL was not present at the seige of Terra? LIE. AL has no bases or daemon worlds in the EoT? LIE. Alpharius dead by an ultramarine hand? LIE!!! The only way to help the emperor at this point is to put a bolt shell through his rotten skull. Using Chaos to destroy Chaos? Chaos will eat mankind and then with no mankind chaos will starve and die. Lame and convoluted. Chaos would just find a suitable race and enslave them, right? (also, as an aside, bringing back up Legion. The main character's name was GRAMATTICUS? and his super power is that he can understand any language {get it, GRAMMATICUS!!} That almost threw me off but I still enjoyed the read. Ok, I digress.) So to summerize, I hope the AL goes back to being chaos worshiping, mutated, devious, evil geniuses! FOR THE EMPEROR!

[vladsimpaler]

Given that Khorne Berzerkers are losing Furious Charge but gaining Rage (so lose +1 Str for +1 attack basically) and staying the same price according the ol' rumor mill, I can't say that I am totally enthused.

So far most of the rumors have me unimpressed. I don't know much about current World Eaters background but I can't see them using weirdo dragons and some of the other odd stuff that the book is adding.

I'll wait until the book gets here but I won't hold my breath.

[zippy_tang]

yeh.....thousand sons player here also. I played them for a little before 5th ed dex came out. I stuck with them and will always, however every time a new ruleset/ codex comes out I feel like they lose more than they make up for. I'm just hoping for atleast something from this list:

- slightly cheaper guys/ aspiring sorcerers (minimum cost of aps sorc = 70 points currently....new challenge rules, snipers, perils and wound allocation makes these guys a huuuge liability at times).
- maybe some nice wargear for other options in the book to make them a little more tzeentchy other than the mark.
- Rubric terminators please. I hate the fact that I converted them for 4th and thus in the current ruleset perform quite poorly (twin linked bolters yay!)
- perhaps some psychic power re-roll shenanigans for the disciplines.
- the 4+ invul...it has to go. i hate when I pay points for it and get shot to ribbons by lasguns or bolters. the two wounds from 4th were in my opinion fluffy as hell and great to play.

[Sinisterfence]

My main Chaos force is Iron Warriors, 4th forced me to drop my Dreadnoughts and took away a lot of what was special with the army, 6th is looking like I'm getting some of those things back and then some! Allying alone might let me take my Basilisk (I haven't read the rules yet).

My custom traitor chapter on the other hand, may be hit pretty hard from the new rumours. I run small 5-man kill teams of CSM and a variety of cult troops, if the rumours are true it would mean the majority of my army becomes elite choices.