Soulgrinders in Fantasy

[Fear Ghoul]

Looks more like a Lord of Battle.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1995-...956p148-02.htm

Yes it is, however functionally it is a small Titan. It falls into the same category as a Warhound.

[Miredorf]

The move couldnt be anymore lazy. Very poor from their part..

Obviously, it doesnt look good for fantasy imho. Would have been a good move with different lower part :/

[de Selby]

When I look at a bloodcrusher I see something much more technologically sophisticated than a soulgrinder. I reckon I could build an approximate version of the grinder's mechanical legs with 20th century tech (they're not much different from JCB arms or something), whereas the juggernaut is some kind of complex mechanical animal like something out of DARPA in 30 years time. If we allow for medieval/renaissance tech augmented by magic, either they both fit or neither of them fit.

I don't particularly like the model but I don't see why GW wouldn't have the entire range available to both WFB and 40k collectors. On the other side, there are plenty of daemons models that look much more high fantasy than is usual for 40k, and they all get shoe-horned in.

[Private_SeeD]

I've voted for sitting on the fence, with an upgrade sprue it could easily work within fantasy, but tbh I jst checked the model and its not within the realm of possibility that in its current version a CD couldn't have made it

[Marked_by_chaos]

Looks more like a Lord of Battle.

http://www.solegends.com/citcat1995-...956p148-02.htm

although from recollection although used for the fantasy book it was first created as 40k/space marine (epic) art. Back in space marine chaos could take minotaurs, trolls, beastmen and I think chaos warriors

[Storyteller]

I'm not a Chaos player, but for what it's worth I personally feel as though it's out of place, both in the demons army and in the Warhammer Fantasy World.

It may well be 'justifiable' in terms of older editions conceptions of Chaos as having access to strange advanced technologies, or in terms of the infinate variety of Chaos incarnations/mutations, but for me it is just at odds with the setting. That said, it's a shared imaginary world and I can just choose to have it not exist in my personal version of it.

I would have thought though, given the 'infinate mutations' of Chaos, that they could have come up with something a bit different for the Fantasy version of the army. If I was a Chaos player I think I would be rather disappointed/uninspired. I applaud calls to convert/add a sprue to make it more 'steam-punkish.'

[DrMooreFlava]

I actually saved up enough cash to buy an entire nurgle demons fantasy army for when they came out with plastic plague bearers; however, as Storyteller has suggested, I am now uninspired to build a demons army. My uninspiration is attributed to the giant slaanesh 40k chariot and the soul grinder (with a side serving of those blue guys on discs).

[Maskedman5oh4]

Does it fit on a chariot base or what?

[Stimpson J Cat]

I think it is a bad move. I simply don't think it fits in the setting lookswise. Mind, I think the same about the Juggernauts (albeit to a lesser degree) and that engineered horse of the empire

[LotusCorgi]

Adding the Soul Grinder is a good thing in my opinion because it helps solidify Chaos as one of the underlying concepts connecting Fantasy with 40k.

This. A million times this. And (drum roll) Sigmar will finally be proved one of the lost primarchs!! There should have been an Empire themed Space Marine Chapter!!! The Silver Hammers? Thats a working title. And when the Empire Legion broke up in to successor chapters they could'a been other empire spinoffs! The Sons of Ulrik? The Sun Knights? The Templers of Myramidia? That is totally AWESOME.

[Arnizipal]

When I look at a bloodcrusher I see something much more technologically sophisticated than a soulgrinder. I reckon I could build an approximate version of the grinder's mechanical legs with 20th century tech (they're not much different from JCB arms or something), whereas the juggernaut is some kind of complex mechanical animal like something out of DARPA in 30 years time.

A Bloodcrusher is just an empty metal husk possesed by a daemon IIRC.
They don't have any mechanical parts per-se.

The legs of the soulgrinder look like functional bionic crab legs. Not quite the same IMHO.

[Spiney Norman]

In my opinion it's nothing more than a swift money grab to import a distinctly 40kish model to a different game to try and sell more of them, I mean the grinder is basically a defiler with a daemonic torso on top, what are we getting next, a rune-powered dreadnought for the dwarfs, Landraider steam tanks for Empire, thunder tusk mounts for chaos space marines (because whatever they get in their new codex it's got to trump thunder wolves), maybe even a Mumak "war elephant" for chaos warriors, once you start dumping models from one system to another to boost sales the possibilities are endless.

Cross system modelling works for some of the daemon models but not the soulgrinder, it's too inherently mechanical and "40k" in its design. This is an uber lazy move by GW, creating a new unit with a model without having to design/produce it, no matter that it looks totally out of place with the fantasy range.

[MalusCalibur]

This. A million times this. And (drum roll) Sigmar will finally be proved one of the lost primarchs!! There should have been an Empire themed Space Marine Chapter!!! The Silver Hammers? Thats a working title. And when the Empire Legion broke up in to successor chapters they could'a been other empire spinoffs! The Sons of Ulrik? The Sun Knights? The Templers of Myramidia? That is totally AWESOME.

I am hoping against hope that this paragraph is filled to the brim with sarcasm.

[Voss]

It's been confirmed now that the Soulgrinder will be joining the fantasy Daemon army, via a terrorgheist-like White Dwarf entry next month. There's been a lot of talk over on the DoC rumor thread about whether or not this move will be a good one. As we know relatively little about the rules and point cost, my question is entirely from an aesthetics perspective. Please take a moment to answer the question, above.

Definitely really bad. I don't mind the concept of daemon engines in fantasy- the hellcannon is very nice, and there definitely is room for similar things. But the soulgrinder is just a 40K model dropped on a square based, and shoved in with no real rationale at all. The fact that the model itself is terrible and out of scale only makes it worse.

[Baluc]

A Bloodcrusher is just an empty metal husk possesed by a daemon IIRC.
They don't have any mechanical parts per-se.

The legs of the soulgrinder look like functional bionic crab legs. Not quite the same IMHO.

When is the last time you looked at a Jugger? The new ones (The one with the Chaos Hero on top) have tendon's and muscle attached to pistons, and metal sheeting for long bones... "When it came out people were like O...M...G that's amazing!" The plastic ones are all based off that sculpt, and similarly tech, flesh hybrids. The Soulgrinder is distinctly less advanced than both the juggers and the Steam Tank. It has massive exhaust ports, cog and gear based movement, and none of its moving parts are flesh mechanical hybrids. If you don't think any of them fit into your concept of Warhammer Fantasy that's fine, but it fits well within the IP.

[Urgat]

In my opinion it's nothing more than a swift money grab

That was quite a slow swift move if you ask me. How old is it?

The Soulgrinder is distinctly less advanced than both the juggers and the Steam Tank.

Jugger, maybe, stank, no, let's not exaggerate. The steam tank is basically the same as one of our old steam locomotives. It's not a giant walker.

I am hoping against hope that this paragraph is filled to the brim with sarcasm.

Me too, but you know, right, that unless the SG's fluff blurb states something like 'the chaos dwarfs did it", some people will use it to try and prove that WFB and 40K are connected, right? Brace yourself

[Baluc]

The internal workings of a steam engine are for more advanced than it works cause of magic...

[The bearded one]

Yes, but its looks sure are not, what with all the piston driven metalic legs and all that don't really give the "magic did it" impression.

[Soundwave]

Yes, but its looks sure are not, what with all the piston driven metalic legs and all that don't really give the "magic did it" impression.

True anyone who has played fantasy long enough will realize this model simply does not fit... A new demon engine kit would of taken out any taste of 40k, its like space marines on square bases with a great sword for empire.

[theunwantedbeing]

Does it fit on a chariot base or what?

Archanarok/zombie dragon base sideways, so 150mm wide and 100mm deep.
A chariot base is a piddly 50x100mm so it'de look a bit silly no matter how you try to put it on that sort of base.

It's a big thing, so it needs a big base.