Warriors of Apoc truly AMAZING

[strewart]

Mine have been godawful to assemble and rank up. I don't know how they managed to do it for the box art!

Haha thats what I was afraid of.

To me it seems like the problem might be that the 'shaft' of the halberd (blade end) is a couple of millimeters too long, and if it was cut down a little then the shaft would fit into the bottom hand easier. Not 100% sure though. I was also planning to hold both arms on with blu-tac as a dry fit, then glue the hands and two parts of the weapon together while that is held. But my experiment with one has been unsuccessful so far.. They just don't seem to line up very well, which is a shame because as you say the box art seems fine, however, the photos there are not particularly clear. Any tricks you came up with putting them together?

I'm not even thinking about how they might rank up after getting assembled... *Shudder* Overall, very nice looking models but definitely advanced kits.

[Rosstifer]

I had to cut the shafts of the Halberds in quite a few cases, not sure if your supposed to or I just suck!

[logan054]

Hmm, I guess I need to get myself two boxes of these guys and restart my WoC army, these models are just amazing

[MDSW]

Just got my Halberd fellows and they truly are epic and amazing. And, for #@!*&! sake, they are a pain to put together. You must really clean them off for the super glue to stick - I use the gel.

Here is my trick to assembly and it took a few times to get it right. If you have already suffered through your own method, my hat is off to you because they are not very assembly friendly...


1. Put all of the torsos, legs and heads together.
2. Separate all of the right/left arms and all of the right/left hands into sets to match.
3. Attach a right and left arm taking special care to notice which arm can be in the upper most position. This will designate whether he is a 'righty' or a 'lefty' - the uppermost arm will have the blade end. And, as you go along in this process, count how many right and left hand halberds you have to make - this is important to make sure you don't end up with an uneven amount of R/L positions!!
4. After lining up the arms as above with a little trial fit of him holding the halberd with both hands, glue the arms in place. Not all of the arms are best situated to hold the weapon in both hands, so some will simply hold it in one with the other hand empty. Just cut off the bottom of the Halberd handle and green stuff a tiny bit in the hand 'hole' so it simply looks like a closed fist.
5. All of the fellows that will hold the weapon with one hand can have the halberd and the 'closed fist' attached to the arm. If you have enough room on the end of the halberd to attach the end of the halberd handle you cut, you can attach it or trim off the plain end and stick on the nice handle end. If there is not enough room, don't worry - the handle end of the halberd is probably down by his feet and it is not noticeable that the handle is a bit short
6. All of the others that will hold it in both hands, don't glue the halberd and hands on, yet - it will block the front of the mini and make painting difficult.
7. Prime them, paint them... (I am just getting to this part now...)
8. At this point you can glue on the halberd and hands. You definitely have to trim the end of the halberd handle a bit that goes into the other hand hole. I have trialed a couple this way and it works great.

I ended up making 18 (6x3) and two extra champions to use with other units. With the standard bearer and musician holding the halberd in one hand along with two of the champs, that left about another 5 or 6 holding it with one hand. The other 10-11 hold it with two hands. It actually makes for a great variety and the ones that hold it with one hand make the ranking up much easier.

Ranking up - this is not as hard as it seems. Sure, the fellows with the halberds in two hands are a real pain, but don't glue them on the bases until you line up all of the bases and see how best to angle each one. Some will be so important in an exact position in relation to others that you will find you will need to number the bottom of the base to know the order that they will go back in on the tray.

Hopefully, this will help some people out there. But, I do have one question - what on earth are you supposed to do with that huge cape they give you????????

[strewart]

Thanks MDSW, good info and not a bad idea with some of the harder ones to just make them being held in one hand instead of two. It is encouraging to me that some of them do go together much easier than others since, as I mentioned, I only tried a couple of combos and could well have been unlucky and got the harder ones. I don't like assembling models completely seperately from the base as I get a better idea of the dynamic of the model when it is on the base, but if they do rank up nicely just by changing their angle on the base after assembly I'll probably do that.

As to the large cape - it is actually for the top of the banner pole and is pictured there in the photo I think. It will probably need greenstuff to go on nicely. It is a very impressive cape that I'd love to use on a model, but it will be hard to get it to fit on anything so I'll have to have a play around with it. Maybe for a character on a monster, or for a chariot or something?

[MDSW]

A-ha - OK, that makes sense about the banner. However, with the heavy texture it is not really suited to paint a unit image onto.

I also found that a few of the arms needed to have the pauldrons trimmed a bit to make the arm extend in an up position to be able to hold the halberd in both hands - otherwise, all of the fellows would be holding it straight across their body and it would really be a nightmare to get them to rank up. The key for the ones holding in two hands is to get the halberd pointing up as much as possible. The fellows holding it in one hand are no problem at all.

[strewart]

Cool thanks, thats a handy tip. Try to make the halberds as upright as possible and they will fit together a bit easier? I'll keep it in mind.
If you are able and get the chance, I'd love to see some close-up photos of a couple of your ranks.

[MDSW]

Here are some pics of 9 ranked up, as I will do 18 (6x3), so this is half of them. Some of the fellows holding the halberd in two hands have it just tacked on for now to show position. I will permanently attach after I have painted. Each warrior is numbered on the bottom so I can quickly re-rank them without a headache.

Sorry for the white flecks on the warriors. I was drilling some bases and the dust went everywhere! I did not notice my warriors got coated until I just looked at the pics!!


So, the ranking can be done, but it is a bit more work than normal. Not only is this due to the halberd being long, but the arms being the same for all of the versions and they are not designed solely for the halberds. Also, having a number of them holding the halberd straight up in one hand helps tremendously when you get in a tight spot!!!

I hope this helps a few of you out there. I do think they are awesome and well worth the work.

[Rosstifer]

I managed to get mine to rank up! There is a 4 man filler in them to take them to 24, but they would rank up anyway I think. Had to rip most of them off the bases and reposition them to make them work, but it wasn't that hard in the end.

Would have been fine if I'd built them with some more thought. Only 3 have their Halberds in one hand, and this wasn't by choice, I only got 17 left arms in my box but luckily had 3 spare shields from my HW/Shield kit so worked out fine!

[MDSW]

I guess they don't put the same amount of right and left arms in each box? Mine do match up, but I got 13 halberds in the right hand and 7 halberds in the left. Luckily, I was not short any arms, like you were - that would have been terrible and a good thing you had some spare parts to make it work.

[strewart]

Yeah I'm pretty sure 13/7 is the right ratio. I actually had a few arms missing from my set as well, I messaged Felix on the AoW board and he sorted out replacements for me very quickly and easily.

[lbecks]

I received my kit. It's actually the new kit with less options since they misplaced my order but they offered me a regular metal figure to make up for that.

Initial thoughts:

Material/Casting: I thought it would be like restic but it's like regular resin. It's easy to clean and cut. The casting quality is okay, some bubbles and weak rimming on certain parts. A few spikes didn't fully form. There is some mold slippage on some of the parts but since the material is so easy to clean that's not a big problem.

Design: Everyone has seen the kit by now. They look very nice. Size wise they're compatible with GW kits. The arms are compatible with the GW Knights of Chaos kit.

Difference between the old and new kit: The new one has hands molded together with the arms. They're easy to saw off if you want more options. The heads are also pre placed on the torso along with one of the arms. There are overall less head options. This is the aspect i'm most disappointed in. If you're into army building these are good kits for that. But for someone who loves the modelling aspect of miniatures it was a little bit of a let down.

[strewart]

Yeah I had heard the new ones would have heads attached... To be honest, I know why they changed the kit for it to be less pieces (they really were a nightmare to assemble before! Not to mention massive time and labor casting) and I fully support the idea, however, it really would have been nice to have kept the heads separate and thats the one part I also think is disappointing...

I'll be interested to hear how you find assembling a unit.

[lbecks]

Yeah I had heard the new ones would have heads attached... To be honest, I know why they changed the kit for it to be less pieces (they really were a nightmare to assemble before! Not to mention massive time and labor casting) and I fully support the idea, however, it really would have been nice to have kept the heads separate and thats the one part I also think is disappointing...

I'll be interested to hear how you find assembling a unit.

In my emails with them I asked if the heads could be placed on the bottom of the foot for either future releases or new kits and also if the weapon arms could somehow be cast together. I think legs, separate arms, and head for 5 pieces per kit (or 3 casting pieces) would be perfect. I have the two hand warriors kit and not the halberds or great weapons. For ranking the 360 videos they have on their website show how to perfectly rank them. Some of the arms on the new torsos have weapons lifted overhead or resting on their shoulder so that reduces potential for bumping into the guys next to them.

[RunepriestRidcully]

Hmm.. I partly gave up on my warriors of Tzeentch because even do a pure warrior army I would need so many warrior models... These look nice and as nice as the GW oens are, they are pricy for what you get, so are these guy's worth it and would they work for Tzeentch/slaanesh warriors?

[lbecks]

Hmm.. I partly gave up on my warriors of Tzeentch because even do a pure warrior army I would need so many warrior models... These look nice and as nice as the GW oens are, they are pricy for what you get, so are these guy's worth it and would they work for Tzeentch/slaanesh warriors?

They look like regular Chaos warriors. I like them. At 2.50 US per model they're not a bad deal. AoW is making kits for their other Chaos equivalents. When those come out they might have a better Tzeentch/Slaanesh look.
Here's some concept art of the other two that aren't nurgle:
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/we...g/img58711.jpg
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/we...g/img58711.jpg

The Nurgle equivalent kit:
http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-conten...Apocalypse.jpg

[Gazak Blacktoof]

I received my kit. It's actually the new kit with less options since they misplaced my order but they offered me a regular metal figure to make up for that.

I've only just received my order because they didn't have my shipping address when they took the pre-order. I'm not sure how that happened but it isn't really an issue.

I had no clue that that they'd changed the kit and I'm rather disappointed. I'm rather annoyed that the heads are attached and I also didn't receive the pre-order pieces, though I'm not sure I've actually seen any pictures of what those are. They did send me a free metal miniature, but it's the champion of war model which I don't like and would never have bought. If they'd asked I'd have gladly taken the lord of war model as compensation, but they just bundled a random model in which I've got no use for.

EDIT: I've also just realised, after looking through the pieces again, that the musician is either radically different or it is missing a large chunk of the horn. He currently looks like he's trying to blow a military pick. There also appears to be only a single unit standard, but I was expecting a choice of two.

The overall quality of the casting and sculpting is great. But I don't really feel like I got what I ordered.

[lbecks]

I've only just received my order because they didn't have my shipping address when they took the pre-order. I'm not sure how that happened but it isn't really an issue.

I had no clue that that they'd changed the kit and I'm rather disappointed. I'm rather annoyed that the heads are attached and I also didn't receive the pre-order pieces, though I'm not sure I've actually seen any pictures of what those are. They did send me a free metal miniature, but it's the champion of war model which I don't like and would never have bought. If they'd asked I'd have gladly taken the lord of war model as compensation, but they just bundled a random model in which I've got no use for.

EDIT: I've also just realised, after looking through the pieces again, that the musician is either radically different or it is missing a large chunk of the horn. He currently looks like he's trying to blow a military pick. There also appears to be only a single unit standard, but I was expecting a choice of two.

The overall quality of the casting and sculpting is great. But I don't really feel like I got what I ordered.

You should really email them to correct any problems you have. They only asked me what metal figure I would like because i was emailing regularly to ask if my order had shipped.

[Gazak Blacktoof]

I will be contacting them today. I've no idea why they didn't contact me about the issues though. They clearly had my email address.

Without this thread on Warseer I would have been very confused because there was no delivery note or email to explain that they'd changed the kit or that they would add a free model to the order.


What were the special pre-order pieces that I'm missing?

[gilljoy]

Really wish they'd hurry up and get these back in stock
I really want to pick up some of the halabard ones