What's everyone's opinions on the new Slaanesh chariots?

[Graxy]

As the title suggests, I want to know people's opinions on the rules for the slaaneshi chariots (rules released today, models released next week in the UK). Personally, I'm not overly impressed by them. Now obviously, both chariots and the hellflayers are intended to be infantry shredders but I'm not too sure that the chariot's S4 really supports that role as well as other chariots in the game do. I'm not really sure that the chariot's damage output potential is up to par with some other chariots in the game, such as chaos warrior chariots, units of wolf chariot or even units of tomb kings chariots when the high cost of the chariot is considered (and I mean high cost).

Now obviously, there's going to be people wanting to discuss the other units in the update (soulgrinders especially), I'd prefer if we kept the focus on seeker chariots, exalted seeker chariots and hellflayers for the time beng, really just giving our own thoughts and opinions on how effectve they will be in-game.

EDIT: Somehow in the OP, I actually forgot to mention how good the models are! They are really ********* cool models, some of the cooler stuff in this new release in my opinion (but the nurglings are still tops for me. They're just so damn adorable )

[En Sabbah Nur]

I like the model, very cool.

Now having three chariots that does quite the same thing (this one has impact hit, but this one has 4 daemonettes...) is useless.

[-Totenkopf-]

I love the models.. absolutely love them.. I have always been a fan of chariots, since 4th ed.. I love them..

I hope this is the prelude to new daemon codec's!!!!!!!

[Jind_Singh]

I just lost a part of my soul to Slaanesh! I just love them - they are so sexy and good looking that I've already ordered the herald one and I'm going to pick up some Daemons.

Back in 7th I had a large DoC army but sold it all off apart from my 3500pt Khorne Daemons army - but going to put that right and going to collect 2500pts of the other 3 Gods too - now that they all have plastic core and finecast!!

Slaaneshi Baby - I'm coming!

[Urgat]

They are all very good against T3 troops with low saves, which, quite frankly, are the great majority of the core infantry available. They should be fine if you don't only play ***** deathstars. If you do, well, they're not a good choice, granted. Someone playing against me would certainly find them more useful than a Soul Grinder, for instance.
Model-wise, well, I like the chariots themselves, they're funky.

[Ultimate Life Form]

I have always been a fan of chariots, since 4th ed.. I love them..

Well, with me it's the exact opposite. Don't need them, don't buy them. But the models are just too good, I think I will eventually get at least one to properly slaan up my army!

[danny-d-b]

as one guy said is a demonic combine harvester!- not sure I like it at all (but then again I play empire!!! so have no intrest in it)

[Confessor_Atol]

I do dig the model, but what are the rules loosely? I know the he bigger one gets 2D6+1 S4 impact hits and the herald on the back gains an attack for every wound caused, plus 4 S3 poison attacks from the mounts, and 8 s3 attacks from the netts'. What's the deal with the smaller one? Looks like a great option for supporting a block that's charged imo.

[Ultimate Life Form]

as one guy said is a demonic combine harvester!

This is the state-of-the-art choice for harvesting souls of the modern emancipated she-daemon of today! Available in all important colors (pink)! And if you want to really shine you should consider the limited Gucci model! The other girls in your class will be green with envy!

[Von Wibble]

Confessor Atol - the bigger chariot gains all you said apart from the extra attacks for wounds (the Hellflayer has that, the Soulscent rule). The basic chariot has half the models and no exalted, and half the impact hits. Oh, and half the wounds. I'd rather ahve 2 of these than an Exalted chariot myself.

To mathshammer it out, against WS4 T3 with 5+ save you average 4.5 impact hits = 3 kills. Crew get another 1.1 kills and steeds get 0.4 kills. Total score 4.6 kills (accounting for rounding to 1 d.p)

Tiranoc chariot (the closest equivalent) gets 3.5 impact hits = 2.9 kills. Crew get 1.0 kills and steeds get 0.3 kills. Total score 4.2 kills (also 1d.p)

Slightly harder to kill than the Tiranoc thanks to the ward save, slightly faster, and slightly better at fighting after the charge too. Not sure how changing the T or save of opponents affects the results but I think it has little effect overall. So definately worth more points than a Tiranoc. I'm not sure a 30% increase in price is warranted however (I think its worth more like 100 points myself).

I think for the low amount extra in points the Hellflayer looks the best option, though the soulscent rule makes it far more efficient to go for low T low armour save (max out extra attacks).

[sulla]

Cannon bait and then shredded if they somehow make it into combat with my opponents great weapon hordes...

Cool models and they would have been great last edition but a little too pricey and vulnerable this edition considering what they can actually achieve on the tabletop. Perhaps if they were 80pts for the basic . 8 wounds for the exhalted chariot means it will probably make it into combat, but at over 200pts you would hope so. I'd rather pay the extra for a soulstealer with flame cannon to march up the flank and flame across a horde before charging them.

I can't see any reason to bring any over screamers unless I have shadowmagic Tz heralds in my army too to buff them and hex my opponents.

[DaemonReign]

Bought the bigger timeglass-kit just to paint at some Point. Also pre-ordered the 'standard' Chariot. Both are great in my opinion, perhaps nothing breath-taking but still.
When an actual Army Book comes out I might look over their rules.. Although I fear the Soulgrinder will still be too much of a scarecrow, I hate to admit.

[Cragum]

I like the concept for them and I see it being something on the battlefield that would stand out quite strongly. But Im not sure if its right for how much attention it will grab and how much of that it can take on, usually something big has something in its statline that truly makes it stand out and give it that lastabilty. But wit this I just see someone losing a lot of moneys worth quite fast...

[Emrico]

I like all the new sculpts and really like the chariots. One of each plus a Soulgrinder will kick my army up about 750 points for 4 models. Don't really care if they do great on the table, I'm just excited for some more diversity in the army.

Already ordered the big kit plus two of the regular chariot kits to make one of each for the Slaanesh 3-Way.

Jim

[SilasOfTheLambs]

I don't know about how much they cost, but if the intent is to be a close-combat shredder of low-T troops with bad saves, somebody seems to have forgotten that t4, 6+/5++ still leaves the beast pretty vulnerable to most attacks. These chariots will do grievous damage when they hit, but they won't last long even vs something like empire halberdiers (although the halberdiers will know they've been in a fight before it's over). Against elf spears or anything that re-rolls to hit, no go. Will kill large numbers of skavenslaves quickly, however.

The other problem is that those same durability issues apply with equal or greater force to shooting. As an empire player, I'll send my cannons looking for more useful targets and simply shoot the helblaster or outriders or even crossbowmen (if that's your thing). Against dark elf RxB spam or even a high/wood elf army with a lot of s3 arrows, and ESPECIALLY vs a dwarf player with an organ gun or two, they're boned (I suppose I should add flamers, handgun maneaters, leadbelchers, and so on).

Accordingly, to have any chance to actually do all those impact hits, you are going to need at least 2-3 of these puppies, and then once you're done doing the impact hits, you're extremely likely to lose your chariot within a couple of rounds. I am not a fan, in concept, although of course nobody knows yet what they will do on the table.

[Djekar]

I like chariots in this edition, I love Slaanesh enough to be doing a Slaaneshi Dark Elf Army and I think the models are great. Needless to say, if I had a daemon army, I'd be getting a few. Still going to buy at least 2 for conversions into my Cult of Slaanesh DE chariots.

[Chadjabdoul]

I like the basic chariot, but find the exalted one to be over the top, and to feel like its GW's cheap trick to increase sales of a kit. Simply make an army list entry that is basically 2x same kit combined.

[Haravikk]

I like them, gives me some new options for a warriors of chaos chariot or war shrine, since I'm using Daemonettes as Slaanesh marauders in my warriors of chaos army (along with beastmen as Khorne marauders, for the all-inclusive chaos army feel).

I'm not sure I get why the exalted chariot is a limited edition kit though; the description implies that it's just two chariot sets, and considering the price is just double then I don't really see the point? And if the kit is different, i.e - it has special components for joining the two chariots, then making it while stocks last makes no sense either. I really don't understand that one =S


Rules-wise… they're fast and seem decently hitty; not sure about the hellgrinder though, its special rule seems a bit lacklustre when you're only going to get an average of 3.5 impact hits, and when you factor in wounding and failing saves it seems like you'd be lucky to get any extra attacks at all. For slamming into weak, badly armoured opponents it might be fine, but then such enemies are usually in large enough numbers that the extra damage isn't going to be that significant anyway.

[Graxy]

I'm looking at the product info on the website now. The super kit can make either an exalted chariot or a chariot and a hellflayer. With the small kit, you can make a chariot, a hellflayer, or if you buy two of it, you can make an exalted chariot. I'm guessing that they've made the super kit since they're anticipating people wanting to buy several kits to make all of the chariots so they're trying to save money on packaging by putting 2 in 1 box since many people will want to be buying 2 or 4 anyway. I'm guessing that they've made it limited edition because they realise that after the hype, not many people are ging to be wanting the super kit (maybe people will realise they aren't good or something), so they're not going to keep making it since t would lose them money. Can't really fault them for doing what make's them money and for people wanting exalted chariots is more convenient (less boxes to lug around), but that's my thoughts on it anyway.

@Haravikk, you're thinking exactly the same way as I am. Lookig at their rules, I'm thinking that the hellflayer's the weekest of the three for several reasons. Firstly, like you've said, soulscent, the only reason it's 20 points more than the regular chariot, is not exactly great. It's far too situational and the situation where the rule will be benefiting you is a situation in which chariots should not be: In a grind with a large block. Secondly, it's a rare option, which takes away from points that can be spent on juggernaughts, fiends, and now, soulgrinders (get ready to see a lot of these badboys running around). Thirdly, it's overcosted (I'll get to this later).

The t's got to be the exalted. It is literally, double a normal chariot, with 4 daemonetes exra damage output. It won't give up its VPs as quickly, but again, it's coming out of your rare points, whih are better spent elsewhere. Again, also overpointed.

Only reason I'd say the normal one is he best is that it comes out of special instead of rare. It's half of the exalted for half the points. Fine. The problem is, for it's points, you could get either 2 wolf chariots, a tuskgor chariot, a cold one chariot or a tiranoc chariot. The onl one whic it is noticably a beter option the is the tiranoc chariot, which IMO is 5-10pts overpointed anyway. For the hellflayer, you can get a slaanesh chaos warrior chariot, noticably a better option. I'm probably underestimating all of the new chariots here, but I'd say that the regular should be about 95-100, the hellflayer 110 and the exalted 180-200.

[Gandalf the Gay]

I'm looking at the product info on the website now. The super kit can make either an exalted chariot or a chariot and a hellflayer. With the small kit, you can make a chariot, a hellflayer, or if you buy two of it, you can make an exalted chariot. I'm guessing that they've made the super kit since they're anticipating people wanting to buy several kits to make all of the chariots so they're trying to save money on packaging by putting 2 in 1 box since many people will want to be buying 2 or 4 anyway. I'm guessing that they've made it limited edition because they realise that after the hype, not many people are ging to be wanting the super kit (maybe people will realise they aren't good or something), so they're not going to keep making it since t would lose them money. Can't really fault them for doing what make's them money and for people wanting exalted chariots is more convenient (less boxes to lug around), but that's my thoughts on it anyway.

I think the ltd ed Chariot box has to do with the base size of the model, and not saving on packaging costs or fooling people into buying a model with crappy rules.

If you look in the description, you will see that the exalted kit does not contain the two chariot bases neccesary to build two normal chariots or hellflayers, only on 100x150mm base.