What's everyone's opinions on the new Slaanesh chariots?

[Von Wibble]

Graxy- I'd agree with those points costs as being about fair, but I think the hellflayer is the best choice not the worst. Remember you are getting an exalted alluress as well as the soulscent rule.

Hellflayer has scythes so its 4.5 impact hits on average. If you pick your target right thats 3-4 extra attacks - combined with the 4 extra attacks for the exalted I'd say 20 points extra is fair enough. Your only real competition in rares is the soulgrinder, Beasts or fiends (juggers are not good for the points - die far too easily).

Edit - Gandalf is correct - for your limited edition set you actually get less value for money. I remember when Empire had a wave of releases a few years back they issued a limited set that actually did save you money. Also the Eldar WarWalker had a deal where you could buy 3 in one box and save money. Not quite sure why suddenly buying 2 should cost the same with 1 less base? £30 would have been a more appropriate price point.

[Haravikk]

If you look in the description, you will see that the exalted kit does not contain the two chariot bases neccesary to build two normal chariots or hellflayers, only on 100x150mm base.

That still doesn't explain why limited edition though; what're you supposed to do if you want one once the limited run is up? It isn't currently possible to buy the 100mm x 150mm base on its own…
I mean, I suppose they might release that base once the run is over, but it just seems a really odd way to do the whole thing. If the box were even just £1 cheaper it wouldn't seem so strange, but the way it is it just seems as silly as listing any other kit as a two-kit bundle as "Buy one, pay for the other one too!"

[AlphariusOmegon20]

I like the model, very cool.

Now having three chariots that does quite the same thing (this one has impact hit, but this one has 4 daemonettes...) is useless.

Well, having 3 different chariots isn't what makes no sense, I can live with that. Having a limited edition box when you can make the exact same thing out of two of the normal boxes combined and at roughly the same price for the limited model is what made me go "WTF?".

[Lord Inquisitor]

Well, the nerf down to S4 and only armour 6+ compared with the version in the army book is a bit sad. However, not being only a mount choice is fantastic! I can dig out my converted slaanesh chariot and not carve a big hunk out of my hero allowance! Plus it doesn't have an oh-so-vulnerable herald on top, and costs 50 points less.

Are they going to rock the world? No. But they're nice models and they do have functional use. They're not quite as much cannonbait as you might expect - the lack of toughness or save is not a big deal against cannons and that daemonic ward will do much better. Plus the enemy cannons are probably pointed at the Greater Daemon or Soul Grinder.

I was pondering their functional use. What would people say about really spamming these guys? Let's say three chariots, three hellflayers, two exalted chariots? Maybe even another one or two as character mounts?

With M10 and swiftstride you can declare long-distance charges quite effectively outside of everyone else's charge range. Declare a charge with 5-6 chariots and you should get 3-4 in. With two chariots and two exalteds going into a unit, that's 6D6+4 S4 AP hits before anyone gets to swing. Against T3 5+ save, that's an average of 16 wounds before the combat starts. After that... what 36 WS5, S3 AP attacks at I5? That's another 10? By this point you're going to be running out of halberdiers or whatever.

It's pretty much the definition of "glass cannon" but would it work before I go out and buy all those chariots?

[Zeroth]

I had the same thought Lord Inquisitor, but then I compared them to Dark Elf cold one chariots and changed my mind. Quickly. M10 is awesome, but they are gonna die.

[Drago Daemonis]

The exalted chariot could be an interesting herald mount, I assume the asf would apply to the crew. That could do some damage with all those rerolls to hit. Does anyone know what happens to the normal chariot when used as a mount to a herald? I guess it still costs 75 to upgrade, but do you get the new or old stat line on the chariot, and do you have a daemonette with her (ie she replaces one of the crew, like on the exalted chariot)

[sulla]

I was pondering their functional use. What would people say about really spamming these guys? Let's say three chariots, three hellflayers, two exalted chariots? Maybe even another one or two as character mounts?

The width of most of the chariots is going to be prohibitive to getting some of the variants into a combined charge vs anything short of a horde and since those hordes will usually be toting high strength weapons and/or multi attacks, you probably don't want to go there. A single chariot hunting up the flank is about all I can see as being useful. Fast enough to keep up with marching infantry and (just) powerful enough to take out annoying fast stuff.

Still, it's an interesting idea for a theme, just that, as a DE player who doesn't use shadow magic often, I have learned not to hope for too much from low strength attacks.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Yeah, the hellflayers have that problem. But since even the massive exalteds can clip a unit and get all their impacts and attacks, you can get for example two regular chariots and two hellflayers into base with a unit of 5-wide 20mm troops. That's still 6D6+4 impacts and 32 attacks.

A more sane approach would be to combine a charge with a sizable unit of fiends and/or a keeper.

After a few attempts at a list, I think the practical maximum gets hit around 2 exalteds and 3 smaller chariots. Anything more and you're going to have to start cutting important bits out. You could run more without a greater daemon.

[SlaaneshSlave]

I am definitely looking at chariot spam. And bringing back a block of Seekers. Will be able to pick targets and avoid the deathstars.

I loved my slaanesh chariot before it became a mount only option. The old glass cannon MSU slaanesh demon army might be coming back.

And I think the Hellflayer is best for grinding units (compared to reg chariot). For 20 points you get a 1W Herald who gets an extra attack for each unsaved impact hit wound"until the end of the turn." Does that mean in my opponents turn as well? I think so. Or else it would say in this combat phase. This makes the chariot more deadly if the target does not brake on the charge.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Unfortunately turn is player turn unless it says otherwise. However since you can conceivably fight twice in one turn, it is possible to get this bonus twice.

While I like the hellflayer the footprint bothers me. For the same frontage you can get two chariots in. If we're taking multiple chariot charges against one unit, I think this makes the chariots superior, plus they're cheaper.

[SlaaneshSlave]

Just means you should only have 1 Hellflayer, and have it hang off the end (clipping). Of course the Exalted does this even better.

[Cacodemon]

If you buy the Exalted Seeker Chariot for a Herald, you get the Herald, an Exalted Alluress and three Daemonettes along with the Impact Hits. That's quite a lot of Attacks.

[Drago Daemonis]

If you buy the Exalted Seeker Chariot for a Herald, you get the Herald, an Exalted Alluress and three Daemonettes along with the Impact Hits. That's quite a lot of Attacks.

And the daemonettes get asf I think

[Ben Curry]

I'm liking the idea of the exalted chariots.

In the usual Daemon Herald builds you see 3 main fighting units + characters + support. if I was a DoC player I would be looking at swapping out the 3rd combat unit for 2 of the big chariots. Running double Bloodletters to deal with armour and 2 of the exalted seekers to shred infantry.

I understand the concerns that they can get shot but what you get when you compare to a Daemonettes unit its pretty good.

They draw fire away from your bloodletters and with 8 wounds is going to take a while to drop them. Currently Daemons struggle against elves and elves hate chariots.

I reckon they are an awesome addition to the none GD lists.

Fitting them in with a GD I'd tough on points!

[lybban]

Terrible models, really lazy sculpts, just a lot of whirling blades with no aesthetic to them what so ever. Worst model in a long time!

[Jim Bowen]

Not a fan of Chariots myself but these look suitably Chaotic although they do remind me of a lawn mower which i supose is the idea behind them really. Doubt my Empire army will face them any time soon but expect to get a mauling when they appear on a table near me.

[Lord Inquisitor]

Oddly, I think they work better with a GD. They're cannonbait on their own, but with a Greater Daemon on the table either they focus on the GD (in which case the chariots will get through) or on the chariots (which can take a whole lot of punishment and leaves the GD unmolested!).

[Sexiest_hero]

With 8 wounds the Zalted chariots backed up by a GUO is just what the doc ordered for me. if only I could afford them.

[King Arthur]

wot every one is forgeting is armour piercing so no 5+ armour saves 2d6+1 impact hits will do a lot against any t3 opponents

[TheDungen]

Nice looking things but i dont know why they let matt ward write the fluff for them. He made them actual lawn mowers? I mean wtf what happened with the realm of chaos being a realm of no time and direction where all sanity and understanding had to be abandoned?

I mean haven't they learned by now that matt ward does good books when he has one of the black library writers holding him back sometimes? (like say Anthony Reynolds in the current wood elf book)