Which army has the best lord and dragon combo?

[BigbyWolf]

A toss-up between KF on Imperial Dragon, Prince on Star Dragon or Chaos Lord on Chaos Dragon.

[TheDungen]

if we're not talking good for a points price but just in sheer power you cant beat a chaos dragon, the dragon is tougher than the high elf one and the rider is tougher than the high elf one. And dragon and rider is no greater than the sum of its parts (although that would be really cool if that was the case for high elf dragon riders).

Now i dont have the warriors of chaos book but if they haven changed demon sword from hordes of chaos then chaos dragon+mark of khorne+ demon sword and you basically have a dragon and a bloodthirster baked in one. I think it'll give even Karl Franz sometime to think about.

[Antipathy]

It has changed to now give a random strength and attack boost. It is rarely worth the points, though.

[Doommasters]

if we're not talking good for a points price but just in sheer power you cant beat a chaos dragon, the dragon is tougher than the high elf one and the rider is tougher than the high elf one. And dragon and rider is no greater than the sum of its parts (although that would be really cool if that was the case for high elf dragon riders).

Now i dont have the warriors of chaos book but if they haven changed demon sword from hordes of chaos then chaos dragon+mark of khorne+ demon sword and you basically have a dragon and a bloodthirster baked in one. I think it'll give even Karl Franz sometime to think about.

I don't have the WoC book handy does anyone have a build and related points cost for the Chaos Lord on Dragon?

[Nymie_the_Pooh]

I don't have the WoC book handy does anyone have a build and related points cost for the Chaos Lord on Dragon?

570 naked. Can spend upwards of another 180.

[bildo]

lord
khorne
dragon
stream of corruption
acid ichor
4+ward
sword of anti heros
pendant of slaanesh (coupled with acid ichor, when you take a wound you cause a str4 hit and gain an extra attack)
shield

725

assuming youve lost 2 wounds in the fight (say high elves who will hit before) and a standard set up of atleast lord+bsb within 12" of each other thats +2 a/s from them so, though at 3k theres likely to be even more, but lets assume a minimum of 2.
,
lord-5+1(frenzy)+2(sword of anti heros)+2 (if you suffer 2 wounds)=10 attacks, more if theres more characters and then 2 str 4 hits from acid ichor if your lucky enough to lose them in combat

theres 3 breath weapons (cant remember how many attacks they account for each)

and 6 attacks from a dragon

now if theres a character than can do more, i dont want to fight him :P

[Doommasters]

lord
khorne
dragon
stream of corruption
acid ichor
4+ward
sword of anti heros
pendant of slaanesh (coupled with acid ichor, when you take a wound you cause a str4 hit and gain an extra attack)
shield

725

assuming youve lost 2 wounds in the fight (say high elves who will hit before) and a standard set up of atleast lord+bsb within 12" of each other thats +2 a/s from them so, though at 3k theres likely to be even more, but lets assume a minimum of 2.
,
lord-5+1(frenzy)+2(sword of anti heros)+2 (if you suffer 2 wounds)=10 attacks, more if theres more characters and then 2 str 4 hits from acid ichor if your lucky enough to lose them in combat

theres 3 breath weapons (cant remember how many attacks they account for each)

and 6 attacks from a dragon

now if theres a character than can do more, i dont want to fight him :P

Seems like a pretty brutal setup but you do pay for it with 725pts. My only issue is that your are building him to hit second so not sure of the sword of anti heroes is worth spending points on, if you come up against a Vampire lord they could cut you down before you even get to strike back with the lord? Would it be better to take a Great Weapon if you want to go second in the combat and spend more points on defence?

Also if you take Khorne you are subject to frenzy right (havn't played woc in awhile) wouldn't it be better to take Tezentch for the 3+ save?

That is one of the big benefits of Vampires and HE if you do get into a tricky situation againts another hitty character you should be striking first or at worst the same time. Also VC and HE can heal back wounds with Invocation and Lore of Life which makes a difference where as the chaos has no way to gain wounds and you are building him to fight second in combat. The upside I guess is if your survive the initial attacks there are not many character setups that can endure that sort of pain.

If you go with Tezentch you miss out on an extra attack but gain better defence which leaves options in the weapon department?

[draccan]

I would never pick my army around such an expensive Lord. Pick your army out of playstyle and looks of models. Soon you will tire from having so many points tied and will play with it less and less. Either your opponent will have little to counter it with or he will blow it out of the sky. Either or it may be little fun.
One possibility is instead a wyvern or griffon general. They are cheaper and you can risk losing them while your army does the rest of the job.

Oh don't forget Tamurkhan for 4000 points battles ...

[draccan]

(the joys of double posting)

[bildo]

well i wasnt really thinking about practicallity in game, or really points, was just creating the most killy.

you could drop pendant of slaanesh for helm of many eyes and take a great weapon and mark of tzeentch, for a real game, your lose attacks but have a 3++ and strength 7, though strength 5 is usually plenty as with 3 breath weapons, you want to be aiming at the unit characters are in for max cr

[Trains_Get_Robbed]

lord
khorne
dragon
stream of corruption
acid ichor
4+ward
sword of anti heros
pendant of slaanesh (coupled with acid ichor, when you take a wound you cause a str4 hit and gain an extra attack)
shield

725

assuming youve lost 2 wounds in the fight (say high elves who will hit before) and a standard set up of atleast lord+bsb within 12" of each other thats +2 a/s from them so, though at 3k theres likely to be even more, but lets assume a minimum of 2.
,
lord-5+1(frenzy)+2(sword of anti heros)+2 (if you suffer 2 wounds)=10 attacks, more if theres more characters and then 2 str 4 hits from acid ichor if your lucky enough to lose them in combat

theres 3 breath weapons (cant remember how many attacks they account for each)

and 6 attacks from a dragon

now if theres a character than can do more, i dont want to fight him :P

A Tzneetch Lord with a +3 Ward says hi.

[Askari]

I like the Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon. Glittering Scales is always funny, combine with Dread Knight and anything that isn't WS10 is hitting on 6s, although Nightshroud is another nice one as very few core units have S5 or higher without their weapon bonus, and it lets you kill enemies before they strike. Combine with Sword of Anti-Heroes, Other Trickster's Shard, Beguile (re-roll to hit on top of hitting on 6s?!), Red Fury and Quickblood for hilarity.

Ludicrously expensive, but at least you can make the Lord a Level 4 Wizard to boot, letting him fulfil two roles while still smashing face utterly.

Rather want to try Karl Franz on the Imperial Dragon also, probably get one of the Forge World dragons to represent it (Carmine or Warpfire).

[immortal git]

I have often thought of doing a chaos list based around dragons, lord on dragon mark of nurgle, runesword, runesheild. 2 shaggoths and two units of 6 dragon ogres (which will be awesome if they get models with new book) and shed loads of marauders.

[Antipathy]

Sorceror Lord of Tzeentch, Dragon, Diabolic Splendour, Talisman of Preservation, +2 attacks sword, other tricksters shard

BSB, Doom Totem
Sorceror of death (hope for Doom and Darkness), puppet

Terror bomb with -2 to leadership, and no leadership boosts from padaemonium. Treason annihilates gw infantry which otherwise give you **** (longbeards/swordmasters/white lions/greatswords/asf banner executioners). Gateway for shiggles against ironguts.

CC has you 2 breaths, thunderstomp, 4 (or 5) s5 attacks (i think) rerolling ward successes, and the dragons attacks on top of that. Along with pick and choose combats, you are rolling. 3+/3++

Alternatively, Tzeentch Chaos Lord with Pinion of the Phoenix (monstrous arcanum), enchanted shield, ap sword. This gives you a 1+/4++, 5 s5 ap cc attacks, if killed, pinion breaks but heals the guy back to full health.

[BattleofLund]

Sorceror Lord of Tzeentch, Dragon, Diabolic Splendour, Talisman of Preservation, +2 attacks sword, other tricksters shard

CC has you 2 breaths, thunderstomp, 4 (or 5) s5 attacks (i think) rerolling ward successes, and the dragons attacks on top of that. Along with pick and choose combats, you are rolling. 3+/3++

Five Str4 attacks. I don't think that weapon is worth it in this case, Sword of Might instead - let the Chaos Dragon do the cc killing, just discourage Ethereals. And get one of the '+1 to your armour save' magic armour cheapies.

[Jind_Singh]

Sometimes someone will rise up and make a brilliant, well thought out, and readable post - and it makes the time wasted on forums that much more special! Well played Antipathy!!

You may not have the biggest post count but that one post was worth a 100!!!

Keep up the good work!

[trotsky]

http://www.ulthuan.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=35318 too awsome not to post here- incase any dragon lovers have missed it

[Far2Casual]

It might not be a dragon, but it's big, it flies and has a breath weapon : I give an honourable mention to the Sorcerer Prophet on Bale Taurus. With the reroll to wound and the ability to be healed by spells from the Lore of Fire, he's pretty resilient to cannon balls. You have a Ld 10 general, a very tough Level 4 and a killing machine, he's awesome !