Looks great OP! Looked through everyone of the photos and made lots of "pew-pew" sounds!
Everyone else arguing: please don't detract from someone's thread and hard work by derailing it into one of the most hackneyed debates on warseer...there is a search button if you want to have debates instead of hijacking someones project log
Elysian 13th Painting Log: "The Remnants"
# of Elysian deployments to the table: 0
---------------------------> W:0/L:0/T:0
# of miniatures completed: 33
# of tanks completed: 5
Current Project: Drop Sentinals Just Finished: Platoon Command Squad
WOW....I....uh, was not expected my work to fire up one of the age old debates: what is art?
A little background on what happened around the time this work was on display:
Yes, I wanted to combine my hobby skills with my senior responsibilities. Who wouldnt? Im very passionate about the models and painting, and I do my best artistic work when I can apply that effort to miniatures. Im garbage with a canvas, I hate photoshop (and photography is boring to me anyways), and I used to love ceramics. Now I hate it! Bah! Anyways, your senior project is supposed to be 100% "my vision". You have a LOT of creative control over everything. All they really asked me to do for my project was "make it impressive, and display skills you've learned from a variety of the classes you've taken during your college career here".
There's a few things you cant see from the photos. First, there was a very well written narrative posted next to the artist statement that explains, in a way that someone who knows NOTHING about 40k woud understand, what the hell is going on in the dioramma. Whenever 40k players would come in and see the display, of course they were like "AAWWW! DUDE! SWEET GREY KNIGHTS!!!1!!ONE!!". But those were few and far between. Most people have no idea what any of this is. So I tried to cater to that mentality. Someone who reads the narrative, then walks around the table a few times, would see a story unfolding with strong themes like good vs evil, heroic struggles and sacrifices, the race against time to stop an enemy plot, etc. There were characters in the narrative that had their own plots and reasons for being where they were, "when" they were, etc. It was really cool...It was like I was watching people screen a film I had made, or something.
I agree with a lot of you who said I should have taken the models off their bases and fixed them directly to the display. I really really wanted to do that, trust me. But it just wasnt practical in the end. I would have had to pin all those models feet, then punched holes in my terrain board, etc. There were, as I said, over 200 models there and some of them couldnt really be fixed to the board like that. And, of course, at the end of the day I DID want to play some games with those models haha!
Its funny there are a few folks here who agree that what Ive made is not "art" in the traditional sense. Thats fine...I also believe that works are totally subjective. My ceramics teacher griped about what I did and talked $hit about me to other students behind my back, saying that it wasnt really my work because somebody ELSE had sculpted the models, or printed the sprues, yatta yatta. Well, if you're going to go that route, then you'd better be prepared to tell every artist thats ever used found objects or readymades to produce a work that he's half-arseing it. Other students thought the work was awesome and a great display of technical talent. Others just went "meh". To each his own, man. I was just glad I could share my passion for miniatures with a wider audience.
In the end, art is whatever you make of it. And nobody can tell you otherwise, because its yours. Thanks for all the kind words, guys. I hope you enjoy checking out the project as much as I had making it!
Cheers!
Truly magnificent! I love the time you took to create all the little scenes of action!
It can be said that the HH novels are actually much more art than shakespeare. It has sold millions of copies and reached a much wider audience, than shakespeare did in his day. Now granted Shakespeare did not have the marketing and communication infrastructure of today. But neither does the HH novels have almost half a millennium to gain popularity. I would call early man cave paintings art...as would many, but I don't see too much direct influence from them from later art pieces...people can put all sort of "higher" notions into what art is supposed to attain...like "evoke emotion" etc. But bottom line, its for the viewer to decide what value to place on any specific "piece." Why is ballet, called an "art," but yet creates nothing permanent, like more "traditional" forms? People find artistry in the movements of the dance, and yet by many people's definitions of what art, "is" or "isn't," dance doesn't count. Why? And what about the Martial Arts? Just some food for thought...Originally Posted by Ritterkreuz1
It is a lovely piece, and I think all of us can credit you for being able to do such a project as part of your education
and about the shakespeare example: I do not think the discussion is about what we enjoy most, but what is of a higher 'quality' and of bigger importance.
In the art world this works very much likewise; the greatness of the artist is not only determined by the amount of joy it brings to the people who look at their art,
but also by their influence on following artists and their new inventions in their art.
[QUOTE=Cobra.Commander;6355717]Truly magnificent! I love the time you took to create all the little scenes of action!QUOTE]
Thanks, Commander! Putting the models down on the table and organizing them in a way that portayls a neat little scene (scenes that are part of a larger whole) was the best part of the project. Seeing all that work come together to portray a battlefield scene was awesome
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