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    What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Back in 4th ed, there were a few weapons/units that could ignore invuln saves to one degree or another. Warscythes from Necrons, Dread Axe from CSM 3.5 (Man I loved that weapon), psycannons from the old Demonhunters, and several others.

    Since I basically ran away from 5th edition like it was a particularly randy Bloodthirster once it broke down to musical chairs, my current codex knowledge is pretty lacking. So, my question is: What units are out there now that can ignore Invuln saves? The Dread Axe was lost with the greatest codex mankind will ever see, and the new Necrons/Pokemon Trainers' warscythes don't ignore invulns anymore to my knowledge, so I can't think of any that actually can ignore invuln saves now, except for the Vindicadre assassin.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Vindicare assassin doesn't ignore them he takes it away.... Permanently.... The enemies getting outta control, put a shield breaker round in it.
    Oh, not only does he take away that invul, but all invuls.
    Ie, captain, stormshield, t.armour, iron halo..... All gone w one shield breaker.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazmiter View Post
    Vindicare assassin doesn't ignore them he takes it away.... Permanently.... The enemies getting outta control, put a shield breaker round in it.
    Oh, not only does he take away that invul, but all invuls.
    Ie, captain, stormshield, t.armour, iron halo..... All gone w one shield breaker.
    Not surprising given Matt Ward's idea of "balance" or "sanity" in the Grey Knight's codex :P
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    The vindicare is fairly ok, same as he always was, even in old book.
    Callidus took the hardest hit, her phase blade don't ignore invul now, or armour saves of 2+..... Super squish indeed.....
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Note that the vindicare only kills the save if it is imparted by wargear - 'natural' inv saves such as those Death Cults and Daemons have, are not affected by a Shield Breaker round.
    Grey Knights lost their 'ignore inv save' abilities with the codex update. There are the odd psychic powers around that don't allow any save at all from memory, and Perils of the Warp (while not technically a unit/power you can use and definitely don't want to happen!) also no longer allow saves.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Just wish the vindicare turbo pen round could defrost freezers........ *grabs warscythe.... Gains +2str*
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Things like Jaws ignore Invulnerable saves.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Chaos Daemons have Boon of Mutation (Toughness test or die outright), and CSM have a similar power (Gift of Chaos I think its called).

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    I think the only Invuln-ignoring abilities are those that kill by Characteristic test, Jaws and its many friends (Monolith portal, tesseract lab, whatever it was that the C'tan had, that like-jaws-but-with-flamer-template psychic power of the grey knights), boon of mutation (and its friend in the other chaos dex)
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazmiter View Post
    Vindicare assassin doesn't ignore them he takes it away.... Permanently.... The enemies getting outta control, put a shield breaker round in it.
    Oh, not only does he take away that invul, but all invuls.
    Ie, captain, stormshield, t.armour, iron halo..... All gone w one shield breaker.
    Only if its wargear. Unless its been changed in the FAQ.

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Perils of the Warp ignores invulnerable saves now, correct? So anti-Psyker abilities that make Perils more common sort of count.

    Beyond that, characteristic tests are the only real source of it. Which I'm okay with - straight up attacks that ignore invulnerables are really hard to balance properly.

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    If you roll a double 6 for a Big Mek's Shokk Attakk Gun no saves are allowed: the models are just removed.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Swarm Lord make you reroll invul saves but does not ignore them.
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazmiter View Post
    The vindicare is fairly ok, same as he always was, even in old book.
    Callidus took the hardest hit, her phase blade don't ignore invul now, or armour saves of 2+..... Super squish indeed.....
    Whaaaa? I missed that in the updates! How did the C'tan phase sword, it's one claim to fame that it ignored all armour, fall so far?

    I can perhaps be okay with it not ignoring invuls but not ignoring armour?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murphey View Post
    Not surprising given Matt Ward's idea of "balance" or "sanity" in the Grey Knight's codex :P
    Someone never played much 3rd ED.
    Also how are newcrons pokemon trainers??? They don't throw balls on the ground to summon strange and perverse creatures to fight for them. That's Chaos Space Marines, or Dark Eldar at the very least.

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Konovalev View Post
    Also how are newcrons pokemon trainers??? They don't throw balls on the ground to summon strange and perverse creatures to fight for them. That's Chaos Space Marines, or Dark Eldar at the very least.
    They throw Tesseract Labyrinths on the ground to summon strange and perverse creatures to fight for them.

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    There are a number of Special characters that ignore armor saves still as well.

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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    *throws drop pod to the ground*
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    Re: What remaining units can ignore invulnerable saves?

    I think there are a few DE wargear items that ignore invule saves, but they are one time uses itmes
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