Hey guys,
Is it possible to make a legal 500 pts Bret army? Since they need a BSB and General, that's two heroes. The BSB needs to be a mounted Paladin, and the only other hero choices are a second paladin (mounted) or a Damsel, both of which exceed 125 pts.
I saw somebody mention that there's a way around this somewhere else online, but they didn't get into specifics. Does anyone have a way? Thank you!
A Bretonnian lord with the virtue of empathy and a sheild is under 125pts
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Originally Posted by RanaldLoec
bret lord
virture of empathy
shield
123
bsb 124 +1 rerollable armor save
fit in the rest
2.5k+ bretonnian army
Brets 3/4/3
1.5k Dark Elf army
DE 4/1/0
Thanks to both of you!
Unless theres a bret rule i dont know about your BSB cannot be your general as well and vice versa. only exception i know of is a slann.
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At 500pts why arent you just playing warbands?
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I notice that I am going to have a problem with fielding a legal Dwarf army of 20 points or less. Any help would be appreciated.
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A friend and I are trying to start with small armies to get a feel for the game before we invest more money into it. Yeah, I could just ignore a rule at that level and nobody would care, but if I'd like to avoid starting on the wrong foot if it could be helped.
We are also forcing ourselves to not play with unpainted figures, and I don't want to wait to play until we have 1000 pts painted up.
I totally understand where you're coming from, but realize that in order to field 3 non-character units, you'll have to use something like a single unit of five knights and two units of bowmen. You're not going to get a very good feel for the game with such a backward army.
I don't know how you feel about numbers that aren't nice and round, but it's not unheard of for people to play 750pt or even 600pt games. This will allow you to at least mount your lord...
Ooo..Errr!
Well, the "friend" i'm talking about is actually my girlfriend, who has expressed an interest in playing but doesn't want to do any of the setup, so it's pretty much up to me to buy, assemble, list, and paint (she does sometimes like to paint). So even bumping it up by 250 or 100 points is a not so insignificant amount of work on my part, when I have to do it for two armies. I'm also trying to teach her through playing, which works out well at 500 points because it is much simpler- she won't have to deal with magic, musicians, or standard bearers, she just has to shoot with bowmen and charge with knights. I bought a battalion not too long ago, and it looks like I'll be able to finish up a 500 point army by just adding a foot knight and BSB models to it. So yeah, 500 points works well for simplicity, economics, and ease of painting. If we really find ourselves enjoying it and want to make things more complex, then i'll invest in the trebuchet and more knights.
At such low points you may just make an army that suits whatever you have painted and call it a day.
I've played some nice escalation campaigns starting at 500pt and with some experience reward system and it was very fun.
At such low points you may just make an army that suits whatever you have painted and call it a day.
I've played some nice escalation campaigns starting at 500pt and with some experience reward system and it was very fun.
Agreed.
You're severely limiting yourself by rigidly sticking to a points level the army simply wasn't built for.
It would be far more enjoyable to just ignore the rule of needing both a General and a BsB for the Bretonnian army and add in the General later on when you've got higher point value lists.
Little reason to dumb the army down too much afterall as you risk making the game far less interesting.
Plan B kill it with fire
Meat is Murder tasty, tasty murder
Well, maybe you'd rather drop the 'painted only' rule instead. I understand the urge to field a fully painted army, I too suffer from it, but it's a heck of a lot of work to paint two armies to a decent standard at the same time. Trust me, a few unpainted models here and there don't hurt the picture much but add a lot of versatility and, in the end, fun. Your rigid restriction may as well destroy the whole thing for you.
On a related note, it's interesting is it not, it never crossed my mind that the minimum size of the game is actually determined by the armies involved. Now for a little theory/math hammer:
If my calculation is right then the absolutely smallest army legally possible would be a Skaven army at 60 points. For that you can take a naked Warlock Engineer as a general and still get a legal unit with 22 Skaven Slaves (or 21 Slaves/Musician or 20 Slaves/Champion) to fill the Core requirements.
Sounds fun!I'll have to try it one day. Your Bretonnian army will totally wipe the floor with me. And they're all painted too I assure you!
So 500 point games and escalation campaigns are an amazing way for people to begin the hobby and learn the dynamics of the game.. Severely limiting yourself, by playing at low points blah blah.. true, the game is not well balanced at low points, however, its a great way for people to learn the game.. My gaming group acquired some new players and we did a small campaign that grew in points and us experienced guys had a blast playing the smaller games.. Some rules need to be bent to make it work, but that's just the spirit of the game!! Our TK player was tired of always fielding a Lich.. So, we allowed a prince or herald to act as the Hierophant so that he could learn the mechanic on a smaller scale.. It was a great amount of fun. We allowed the WOC player to take his warrior champion as his general.. Etc... Small games are over so fast, it's important to have fun and pay attention to how your troops perform and don't take it seriously..
Yeah, that's definitely more what I was going for. I'll be playing VC, so we'll have magic on my turns and shooting on hers, giving us a bit of experience with all phases of the game. None of the units picked (ghouls, zombies, skeletons, knights, archers) have too many complicated rules. I'm specifically avoiding musicians and standard bearers (other than the BSB) to try and keep things simple. Once we have a good feel of basic things, we can start expanding 100 or 200 points at a time for something more complex, if we feel like it. But yeah, i'm well aware that playing at 500 points will result in a dumbed down version of the game- that's pretty much my intent.
Why take a lord at 500 points? Additionally you don't need magic items at that low of a point level, either.
Paladin, Shield, Lance, Barded Warhorse - 80-ish points
Paladin, BSB, Barded Warhorse - 75-ish points
Take two units of 8 KoTR and call it good.
Alternatively, just scrap the mandatory battle standard rule for your first few games. Anything above 500 points you'll be good to go. You say its your intent to, for want of a better term, dumb down the game, so why not just ignore a rule that's going to hamstring the game as a whole, and it means you get to leave the BSB rules out until you've mastered the core rules. Especially since you've said that at 500 points she won't have to deal with magic, musicians or standard bearers...lobbing a compulsory battle standard into the mix is just going to confuse the issue.
This is basicly what Warbands is. For those armies that can't include even a hero, or where it's prohibitive, a Unit Champion can stand in its place. I don't have the files with me at the moment, but I believe that there were special relaxations for the TK Hierophant and Bretonnian BSB. If you want to keep the spirit of it, just use a Knight Banner Bearer as your token "BSB", he just doesn't provide the same bonus, obviously.
But at those point levels, you'd only be able to pull off a good BSB and Heo with Skinks, Goblins, and maybe Skaven.
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