Dark Angels rumours

[Ronin_eX]

So how's your DW cyclone working out? DW lightning claws? DW ss/th? They made 2 models some 20 years ago.

Ah, good, shifting the goalposts. Good form man. The thing is, you said:

GW has historically never given DA their own units.

I slightly emphasized something in there. You may notice it.

Now, maybe you want to actually put a time frame in there rather than leave it open to the whole history of the game. Hell that isn't even the extent of older unique units, Dark Angels also got a unique Dreadnought and a unique Land Speeder back in the day as well. I think you are over generalizing (and thus missing older historical trends that prove your overly general statement false) while also ignoring recent trends in model releases. Don't mean to pick on you, but considering the units that have gotten releases in the last few marine codices and how they completely bucked previous trends I figure Deathwing kits are pretty damn assured unless GW pulls a 180.

Either way Wolf Guard got unique terminator resculpts where there previously was only the metal ones. Grey knights got brand new plastics for their terminators. And of course there are numerous non-terminator unique units that previously didn't exist before that got all new kits sprinkled in to the releases of Space Marines, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Blood Angels. The way I see it, the who upgrade sprue thing was rather a more short-lived trend and GW has obviously moved on since.

Either way, it's just our own opinions. But in the future you may want to be a bit less generalized and hyperbolic, and when someone spots an inconsistency in what you said and the reality of the situation you may want to accept you were wrong with a bit of grace and move on. We all get things wrong from time to time, no need to get defensive over it. Just accept it, learn from it and move on.

[gunmnky]

I'll ignore your condescending tone for the moment and make what I said absolutely crystal clear so you can understand it.

Unit - take a second to look up what this means in 40k.

Now for a bit of math: Unit of Deathwing Terminators = 5 models. 2 models < 5. Ergo, I'm still right and they have not made a unit for DW. Dreadnought? Yeah, I owned and assembled 2 of them. it was a vanilla dreadnought with a DA sarcophogus. Thats right, 1 part was the only difference between DA and vanilla. The weapon configuration was different, but nothing that normal marines couldn't take. Back then, they used other chapters to distribute different weapon configurations instead of including them all in the vanilla box. The MotRW was a stock landspeeder with some metal bits. The 2nd ed RW landspeeder was a generic speeder with a couple extra pieces. The only thing that could pass for a full DA unit would be the special characters, which should have been a duh.

GW has made individual models for DA. But that obviously wan't the point I was arguing.

Its okay, you can admit you were wrong, accept it, learn from it, and move on.

[Droma]

Unit - take a second to look up what this means in 40k.

Maybe you should? A single character model like oh....say Azreal, the 2 DA captain models, Sammy all count as units.

GW aren't stupid. They know exactly how popular a deathwing terminator box would be so you can be damn sure we'll get one along with finecast conversions and whatever new units the dex gets.

And while we're on the subject you forgot these units.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060246
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060240
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060236

[Ronin_eX]

My, my someone is a little cranky today. Oh well, no need to re-tread what Droma already said. Especially not if you're just going to get more defensive over it. Remember the Dark Angels Dreadnought and Ravenwing Land Speeder are [b]units[/i] as well. So that gives Dark Angels (even if you ignore the metal Deathwing) two unique vehicles as older releases and the Company Veterans as a modern release. Sorry man, the part of the post I quoted earlier is quite simply wrong.

Q.E.D.

[Dryaktylus]

I'll ignore your condescending tone for the moment and make what I said absolutely crystal clear so you can understand it.

Unit - take a second to look up what this means in 40k.

Now for a bit of math: Unit of Deathwing Terminators = 5 models. 2 models < 5. Ergo, I'm still right and they have not made a unit for DW..

3 (like Wolf Guard Terminators). And btw., Vanilla Terminators had 4 (metal, 2nd edt. 1st had 5, I'll give you that). You know, Unit of Terminators = 5 models. 4 models < 5.

Oh, and I still have a command squad and a Fallen unit using the three PA Dark Angels they still sell. Nearly all chapters hadn't enough individual models to build a full squad.

Its okay, you can admit you were wrong, accept it, learn from it, and move on.

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[gunmnky]

Maybe you should? A single character model like oh....say Azreal, the 2 DA captain models, Sammy all count as units.

GW aren't stupid. They know exactly how popular a deathwing terminator box would be so you can be damn sure we'll get one along with finecast conversions and whatever new units the dex gets.

And while we're on the subject you forgot these units.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060246
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060240
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1060236

My, my someone is a little cranky today. Oh well, no need to re-tread what Droma already said. Especially not if you're just going to get more defensive over it. Remember the Dark Angels Dreadnought and Ravenwing Land Speeder are [b]units[/i] as well. So that gives Dark Angels (even if you ignore the metal Deathwing) two unique vehicles as older releases and the Company Veterans as a modern release. Sorry man, the part of the post I quoted earlier is quite simply wrong.

Q.E.D.

I already refuted both of these. Try reading my entire post some time

3 (like Wolf Guard Terminators). And btw., Vanilla Terminators had 4 (metal, 2nd edt. 1st had 5, I'll give you that). You know, Unit of Terminators = 5 models. 4 models < 5.

Oh, and I still have a command squad and a Fallen unit using the three PA Dark Angels they still sell. Nearly all chapters hadn't enough individual models to build a full squad.



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So you don't count the 2nd ed 5 man plastic terminator box for vanilla? How convenient. Still, vanilla had thunder hammer, cyclone, basic, sergeant, and lightening claw. Wait a minute shaggy! Is this enough to make any terminator unit in the game? I think so!

I have yet to see anyone refute that GW didn't make DA units, and just reasserted my claim that they are all individual models.

Quick edit to emphasis my original point (since you didn't read it): I'm not saying DA didn't get their own box. Try proving that RW boxes don't come with vanilla bikes. I put 36 of the brand new bikes and 6 of the attack bikes together, so maybe I know what I'm talking about when it comes to those? Just saying...

[insectum7]

How is this not a unit? Because it is made up of models?

[gunmnky]

How is this not a unit? Because it is made up of models?

I stand corrected, there is one 2nd edition box that isn't an upgrade kit. Congrats. Are we done splitting hairs?

[Gutlord Grom]

I stand corrected, there is one 2nd edition box that isn't an upgrade kit. Congrats. Are we done splitting hairs?

But...but you kinda started it. And lost.

[gunmnky]

But...but you kinda started it. And lost.

I did? Out of 25 years, thousands of kits and 3.5 codices, you come up with a single set that was made in 2nd edition... nice, but my point still stands. Historically, GW makes upgrade kits, not units. Unless a single occurrence in 25 years is indicative of a pattern...

[Gutlord Grom]

I did? Out of 25 years, thousands of kits and 3.5 codices, you come up with a single set that was made in 2nd edition... nice, but my point still stands. Historically, GW makes upgrade kits, not units. Unless a single occurrence in 25 years is indicative of a pattern...

You argued that 2 models don't make a unit, but there's a box of five for the Deathwing. And you have the current Ravenwing, DA Veterans in plastic (which used many of the available parts from the DA upgrade it) , the DA tactical squads with robes in metal from 3rd. then you should also notice that the new BA and SW now have less upgrade boxes (as they tried with DA and BT) and specifically made kits for units, the Wolf Guard Terminators, the Grey hunter/blood Claw/Wolf Guard in PA box, plus the old grey Hunters (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1110005) ; you also have the new Death Company kits.

[The Dude]

This ends now or warnings will be handed out. This could have dire consequences. Think very carefully before you try to continue this argument.

The Dude
The Warseer Inquisition

[Private_SeeD]

Anyway, since this has been moved to general 40k, I was talking at my local GW and talk was directed to what the new DA flyer could be, and some of us thought that it be a bike version of the land speeder storm, carrying 3-5 bikes and maybe with a holding cell for captured fallen... also based on a gun cutter frame/shape so it'll have some punch


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[librerian_samae]

Well since this is in general now, I certainly hope for a return of ravenwing jet bikes, maybe as a veteran unit in elites with more options for special/heavy weapons.
I mean come on who else remembers the epic awesome old fluff of an entire contingent deploying via orbital drop and turning the tide during a long stalling campaign?

[GenerationTerrorist]

Hi guys.
Does anybody know as to whether Land Raiders are going to be dedicated transports in the new codex? I also assume that the Redeemer will now be included as an option?
Apologies if not on topic or anything!

[viv714r]

Seeing as that's fan art of Lion El'Johnson and his honor guard from the Horus Heresy era, its not likely.

I meant something along the lines of the guys in the back. Robed veterans with greatswords but I digress I agree it's highly unlikely.

[static grass]

Anyway, since this has been moved to general 40k, I was talking at my local GW and talk was directed to what the new DA flyer could be, and some of us thought that it be a bike version of the land speeder storm, carrying 3-5 bikes and maybe with a holding cell for captured fallen... also based on a gun cutter frame/shape so it'll have some punch


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I am interested to see if the flyer will be ravening unit or not.

I like the idea of a bike carrier but it would have to be quite a large model to make it (to the casual eye) plausible.

[RanaldLoec]

Ok I'm not a rumour guy never have been never will be.

But I have come across a tid bit Harry or Hastings may be able to confirm or debunk.

From a conversation at the college of artisans week with a tipsy gent in bugmens bar dark angels codex in 6 weeks?

I was sceptical as I thought the CSM codex was next but then considering the drunk guys history with GW I thought it was worth sharing.

[Deathwing_Adam]

Ok I'm not a rumour guy never have been never will be.

But I have come across a tid bit Harry or Hastings may be able to confirm or debunk.

From a conversation at the college of artisans week with a tipsy gent in bugmens bar dark angels codex in 6 weeks?

I was sceptical as I thought the CSM codex was next but then considering the drunk guys history with GW I thought it was worth sharing.

The image at the end of this month's White Dwarf would appear to confirm this.

[RanaldLoec]

The image at the end of this month's White Dwarf would appear to confirm this.

Well it fits but let's remember rumours can be wrong!

Who was it who wrote the last dark angel codex Jervis Johnson?