Fluff knows at least one dreadnought, Bjorn Fellhand, who is supposedly old enough to have met the Emperor in person. But are there others who would be old enough to remember how different Imperium was back then?
Fluff knows at least one dreadnought, Bjorn Fellhand, who is supposedly old enough to have met the Emperor in person. But are there others who would be old enough to remember how different Imperium was back then?
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Bjorn is supposed to be the oldest dreadnought in the Imperium but it's possible. There was Raguel the Sufferer in Soul Hunter, a Blood Angels dreadnought who was interned after the Siege of Terra.
Of course, just because they're old enough doesn't mean they necessarily remember all that much, even if they're awake. Bjorn has good recollection and wakes up on a regular, if infrequent, basis (every thousand years?) but not all dreadnoughts are like that.
Originally Posted by Squallish
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In the night lords books there is a blood angel dread that Thr marine was at the battle of terra.
I should think a couple of chapters have them , the main issue is waking them up.
Bjorn is just the oldest.
Hmm... if that Blood Angel was Dreadnoughtiziced from injuries sustaind after the siege of Terra, wouldn't that make him a century or two older than Bjorn? Leman Russ remained in command of his chapter for, IIRC, 70 years or something, after the Heresy ended, and then Bjorn was put in charge, serving as the first Great Wolf for an undetermined time before being mortally wounded and put in a Dread.
Unless we are counting their age from before they were turned into space marines, and Bjorn happened to be born some time before the Blood Angel guy...
Bjorns description says he is the oldest warrior in the Imperium and that he was put into dreadnought sometime on M31. Thus I would say the description would count his mortal age also. Also there is the little chance that Bjorns description as the oldest is dated on 999.M41. The events in Nightlords trilogy leave the mentioned Blood Angel dreadnought destroyed and dead well before year 999.M41.
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There are plenty of old dreads. Some, like Bjorn especially, might even remember the heresy.
Having said that dreadniughts tend to lose it a little. Bjorn seems unusually compos mentis for a Dreadnought, especially one so old. Being trapped in a box can play with your head...
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hmm I wonder if there are any Dark angel Dreds that remember the Heresy.
If there were they could present a problem for the secretive Chapter.
They would either have to be part of the inner circle, or kept silent in some way.
They clearly would know too much.
Well, Dreadnoughts are usually kept in stasis crypts between missions. It is, of course, absolutely inconceivable that the Chapter would lose the location of a Dreadnought crypt and leave the occupant locked in timeless slumber for all eternity.
What's more likely is that such a Dreadnought would have been one of the Dark Angels who took the decision to keep absolutely nothing secret and therefore was privy to the need for open and frank disclosure regarding Caliban's utterly accidental detonation.
I can't see it being a problem either way
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Disconnecting the speaker cables to their voxcaster units ought to do it
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well i would think the ba dread would have lost it and have to be. umm. whats the best word. retired
Read Battle of the Fang and A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns
Bjorn was on Prospero. Presumably there's not going to be much between him and the Blood Angel dreadnought but let's not rob poor old Bjorn of his oldest warrior tag too quickly!
Well the dreads that go made usually dont go talkative, look at captain thule after he gets ressurected as a dreadnaught. his short term memory takes a while to return, but his duty not to speak of what he found out of kronus was the thing he held unto. I'd guess that even if a dark angels dread forgets everything it'll still remember not to speak of what happened at caliban. Since that's basically his definign duty, even beyond crushing the enemies of the chapter.
Well, bjorn is still the oldest; the night lords killed the blood angels dreadnought
Oh, I once wrote some fluff about that for one of my Dreadnoughts: here. I always thought it could make for an interesting concept.
I think Dreadnoughts can be as old as you need them to be, as long as you're playing a First Founding Chapter anyway.
could be older dreads in the second founding actually, the marine may have served in the legion and then been placed in a chapter and there wounded and made a dreadnought.
the second founding is just a half step down from the first founding considering in most cases they were created by the primarchs or by warriors who fought directly under the primarch. Third and later foundings however are much less regal.
Yeah, it's possible, but it doesn't feel quite as right. The only Second Founding Chapter I can see that working for is the Black Templars, because their founding story is based on an event from the Siege of Terra, so they have that connection to the earliest days of the Imperium.
The only other one I know of is The Warmonger of the Word Bearers. To quote lexicanum - An ancient warrior, The Warmonger was a Dark Apostle who fought during the siege of the Emperor's Palace during the Horus Heresy.
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Be pretty funny to have a DA dread running around remembering that he has a secret he's not supposed to tell anyone, but forgetting what the secret actually is, only to have him spill the beans in a Eureka moment as it finally comes back to him.
There are other second founding chapters that have longer histories. Raptors were created as a sub-unit of their own well before Siege of Terra. Also I think most of the Ultramarine second foundation descendants are just Ultramarine battle companies who were given new color scheme and new shiny name instead of old unit number.
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But the Night Lords Dread also fought on Terra.Well, bjorn is still the oldest; the night lords killed the blood angels dreadnought
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