Nemesis Daemon Hammer is AP3 now??

[Infidel]

umm... Smash halves the model's number of attacks.. are you gonna half the dreadknight's number of attacks to give the doomfist AP2? and otherwise its AP3?

Please read through the rest of the rules on Smash. All the close combat attacks made by models with smash USR are at AP2, irrespective of whether they actually elect to use smash or not.

[nlive]

This is another case of people reading the rules backward.

Nemesis hammer (*spits* I'm a daemon player) is first and only what the codex rules out to be. Remember codex trumps brb unless its been faqed.

Codex says its a thunder hammer with extras, then treat it as a thunder hammer with extras.

Simple.

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[Sami]

Remember codex trumps brb unless its been faqed.

It's actually the FAQ that mentions Nemesis weapons being unusual force weapons, which the BRB describes as being AP3. So we just end up going round and round in circles

There is no conflict. By RAW it has AP2 and AP3 but, since this is mechanically indistinguishable from having just AP2 because AP2 does everything AP3 does and the some, no-one wants to bother to remember that.

Please point me to somewhere saying weapons can have multiple AP values at the same time (no, Power Lances don't count as the AP varies depending on what you are doing - it still only has a single AP when it comes to making the attacks). Otherwise, models with a buff to I10 and a debuff to I1 would be able to pick the I10, which is not what the FAQs say (if there's a conflict of fixed values like this, you roll-off, NOT pick the best).

You can not be AP2 and AP3, you are one or the other. And yes, there is quite a significant difference mechanically between the two.

[Welshdragon04]

An Unusual Force Weapon is a Force Weapon with additional rules. A Nemesis Daemon Hammer is an Unusual Force Weapon which makes it AP3. You then apply the additional rules as per Unusual weapons, one of these additional rules is that the weapon is treated as a Thunderhammer, erego making it AP2.

[Lord Zarkov]

An Unusual Force Weapon is a Force Weapon with additional rules. A Nemesis Daemon Hammer is an Unusual Force Weapon which makes it AP3. You then apply the additional rules as per Unusual weapons, one of these additional rules is that the weapon is treated as a Thunderhammer, erego making it AP2.

This, it's always specific >> general and Codex >> BBB

Here general rule in the BBB says that unusual force weapons are AP3, specific rule in the codex says the Daemon Hammer is a Thunder Hammer which is AP2. The specific rule has priority so it's AP2

[AngelofSorrow]

I would suggest that a few people in this thread do as I do before commenting on a rule. Go and read it again before you post. I always do this. I've been educated a few times just by reading it again. Just double check yourself.


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[player21]

The problem is the way the FAQ words things. "unless otherwise stated all nemesis weapons are unusual force weapons". Grey knight book say use the rules for thunder hammer, which a thunder hammer as 3 rules. This is first time ap has been placed on cc weapons. So who right? There is a legit argument for both sides. I think it will fixed in the next FAQ.

[Elios Harg]

Unless otherwise stated... Sounds like the codex states otherwise

[RanaldLoec]

The problem is the way the FAQ words things. "unless otherwise stated all nemesis weapons are unusual force weapons". Grey knight book say use the rules for thunder hammer, which a thunder hammer as 3 rules. This is first time ap has been placed on cc weapons. So who right? There is a legit argument for both sides. I think it will fixed in the next FAQ.

No there isn't.

The grey knight book specifically states its a "thunder hammer" with the nemesis force weapon rules.

The codex over rules the rule book.

The faq clear states unless stated otherwise and it does.

It's a thunder hammer with extra gubbinz simples.

[player21]

Then why are people asking questions about it then? I believe it is ap2 but the wording is a little trickey.

[AngelofSorrow]

People are asking questions because they don't get it and that's ok. It's clear. It's AP 2


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