Eldar Codex "i hope this doesn't happen" thread

[murgel2006]

My Dark Angels and Tau armies would like to have a word with you.

OK, at the time the tau codex was not new and Angels were not published but still had the old 3rd with some inlays.

I am the first to give in and state that 3rd Eldar was a very powerful codex (and expansion) but where other codices received a massive boost from their 4th ed. codex and even more so from the 5th Eldar were nerfed significantly by their 4th ed codex. So much so that I was sometimes asking if I could use my 3rd edition codex to play.

[titilititi]

Not that I'm not happy to take some DE kabalite warriors as allies, but if it's not a little bit fluffy it will be as uggly as facing Ultramarines allied with World Eaters, the end of Mankind is nigh, after all... (Ok, I'm going to far)
It's not the place to develop such a discussion, but, if I see Dark Eldar sufficiently jaunty to ally with those staid maniacs of self-controle, I can't see a Farseer having something else than his soul burned by the nearnes of a Haemonculus... For the rest, I agree with your arguments, except that it then seems to me CWE and DE are desperate allies. For my part I close here the braket.

[sgtspiff]

The worst thing I can imagine is our lovely Wraithlords getting nerfed.
They have been perfect for a long time.

[Drasanil]

I also hope GW will specify the alliances systeme... Making Crafworlds Eldar best friends with Dark Eldar is totally ridiculous as Dark Eldar are just what the Craftworld Eldar fled from : they preferred to loose nearly everything they had than to stay with such bastards, but hardly ten thousand years later (a very few generations for an Eldar) the dispute (it's just the Fall after all) is closed? The Alliance board seems complexe but it is in fact to simple...

You're completely missing the mark on this one, they're not battle brothers because they like each other or because they agree on anything, but rather because when it comes down to it they're both still eldar and that transcends most disagreements in the grand scheme of things. The designers described the CWE/DE relationship as that of brothers, brothers who disagree all the time and generally don't like each other, but brothers none the less. When it comes down to it, no matter how much you might not like your brother, you sure as hell aren't going to let anyone else pick on them, especially if that 'any one else' is little more than cattle or a barbaric buffoon in your eyes. In that context the battle brother designation makes perfect sense, when faced with a common enemy they can count on each other, because in the end they're both eldar and who ever is on the other side of that battle field isn't.

[titilititi]

Oh yes, a simple dreadnought, with two or three hull points!

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

The Eldar are such a core army, and they have so many iconic units that one would really have to go out of their way to make a terrible codex with them.

And yet...

Anyway, my one fear for the book is that it will just be a tweak on the current one. Its essentially been the 3rd dex with tweaks all the time and its not good. Aside from the variable power level, it just doesn't work as an Eldar Codex, it needs to be rewritten from the ground up.

[FashaTheDog]

Oh yes, a simple dreadnought, with two or three hull points!

Naw, the Wraithlord won't become an Eldar Dreadnought again, they'll likely make it T6 with 4 wounds and a 3+ save, costing 165 points base and is armed with a wraithsword base with options to upgrade to guns.

[MikeyB]

Naw, the Wraithlord won't become an Eldar Dreadnought again, they'll likely make it T6 with 4 wounds and a 3+ save, costing 165 points base and is armed with a wraithsword base with options to upgrade to guns.

If they make it T6 they make it the only Dred in the gaem that can be killed with S4 weaponry. As it is it's the only one snipers can kill in a turn -.- Not that I'm complaining. The Wraithlord is awesome as it is. I just don't expect it to stay that way...

[titilititi]

Naw, the Wraithlord won't become an Eldar Dreadnought again, they'll likely make it T6 with 4 wounds and a 3+ save, costing 165 points base and is armed with a wraithsword base with options to upgrade to guns.

But then, no dreadnought assault weapon anymore?

[FashaTheDog]

But then, no dreadnought assault weapon anymore?

Optional upgrades, obviously, probably 20 points. Each.

[titilititi]

Optional upgrades, obviously, probably 20 points. Each.

30 pts, you game-balance breaker!->it nearly doubles the Phantom Lord's strenght then!

[MajorWesJanson]

we eldar players have a lot to be bitter about right now

You aren't Nids or Daemons, so there is that.

[Malagor]

Naw, the Wraithlord won't become an Eldar Dreadnought again, they'll likely make it T6 with 4 wounds and a 3+ save, costing 165 points base and is armed with a wraithsword base with options to upgrade to guns.

Oh I would hate that.
Wraithlord is good at T8, afterall it is suppose to be a eldar version of dreadnought. Having one go down due to bolter fire doesn't seem right.
If GW's goal is too sell models then nerfing a rather expensive model won't get it sold.
So it will probably stay the same as it is now since it's a good unit thus worth getting or buffing it to increase the sale.

[Lord Zarkov]

You're completely missing the mark on this one, they're not battle brothers because they like each other or because they agree on anything, but rather because when it comes down to it they're both still eldar and that transcends most disagreements in the grand scheme of things. The designers described the CWE/DE relationship as that of brothers, brothers who disagree all the time and generally don't like each other, but brothers none the less. When it comes down to it, no matter how much you might not like your brother, you sure as hell aren't going to let anyone else pick on them, especially if that 'any one else' is little more than cattle or a barbaric buffoon in your eyes. In that context the battle brother designation makes perfect sense, when faced with a common enemy they can count on each other, because in the end they're both eldar and who ever is on the other side of that battle field isn't.

This, yes sure the two types of Eldar generally don't get on, think each other are foolish and corrupt versions of their true selves, but at the end of the day they're still Eldar, and therefore inherently superior to every other form of life imaginable which are simply animals, and probably in need of extermination.

It's not like the WFB HE/DE, you even get Eldar going from one type to the other at times; and if you're a menace to one the other will punish you (see "The World of the Bloodied Sword" short story for what Dark Eldar do to you if you mess with Eldar spirit stones for example). There's also the Harlequins who actively encourage cooperation between the two.

[MikeyB]

This, yes sure the two types of Eldar generally don't get on, think each other are foolish and corrupt versions of their true selves, but at the end of the day they're still Eldar, and therefore inherently superior to every other form of life imaginable which are simply animals, and probably in need of extermination.

It's not like the WFB HE/DE, you even get Eldar going from one type to the other at times; and if you're a menace to one the other will punish you (see "The World of the Bloodied Sword" short story for what Dark Eldar do to you if you mess with Eldar spirit stones for example). There's also the Harlequins who actively encourage cooperation between the two.

Also Lady Malice is blatantly the Laughing God. However this is not a thread about whether DE and CE should be battle brothers :P

[FashaTheDog]

Oh I would hate that.
Wraithlord is good at T8, afterall it is suppose to be a eldar version of dreadnought. Having one go down due to bolter fire doesn't seem right.
If GW's goal is too sell models then nerfing a rather expensive model won't get it sold.
So it will probably stay the same as it is now since it's a good unit thus worth getting or buffing it to increase the sale.

Yeah and prior to the 5th Codex, Tyranid players would have said the exact same about the Carnifex.

You aren't Nids or Daemons, so there is that.

Eldar players are bitter, not battered and left to bleed out in a roadside ditch.

[Clarkson]

So you're playing as marines then? :P Now you just need a chapter name who's initials spell IDDQD ^_^

So what do we think they're gonna do with Distort weaponry? I'm reckoning it'll just get the "haywire" USR -.-




Edit: Imperial Defiant Doom Quasar Dragons?

err.. no.. i play SoB, hence the quip...

i do have chaos too.. and an eldar force w/o farseer that seems to work... though i do have stupid amounts of harlies

[FashaTheDog]

Clarkson, quick look up! There's a Doom joke soaring past you!

[insectum7]

Careful insectum...you never know if any of the GW Codex designers might read that statement of yours and say, "challenge accepted!"

Heh. No, if Eldar players are disappointed, history shows that it will come from a non-Eldar codex. The Eldar codexes themselves have always been quite good.

That said there are always a few units that seem to fall short (Shining Spears, Swooping Hawks and Eldar Artillery), and always a few units that have a tough time transitioning to new editions (Banshees, currently). But the same can usually be said for any army, and even then there are players that seem to make good out of the perceived "lemons".

[Cap'n Facebeard]

This thread is responsible for me now wanting to make a Marine Chapter called the Imperial Dirty Demons of Quad Damage. Anyway...

My main anti-wish: that they will stop Wraithguard from being able to be core, or replace them with giant plastic versions on 40mm bases so that I'll have to rebase mine, and still be subjected to some sort of 'you bought small old models for advantage' nonsense. If they do I'll be making a motorised float of craftworld Iyanden and crashing it into a GW store in a hellish inferno from which nothing can escape.