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If a chaos knight has to make a strength test, would that be on 4 or 5?
Enscrolled weapons says they grant +1 strength to the wielder, so I'm guessing strength tests would only fail on a 6?
Other weapons either says that attacks are made at +2str, or the wielder has +2 strength.
Charactersitic tests are taken at base stat. So in the case of Chaos knights their base strength stat is 4, so all strength tests are taken at 4.
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Thats not true, is it?
If a spell boosts a models toughness by 3, the model would have +3 toughness and therefore take the test with a +3 modifier, unless the attack or spell itself says that the test must be on the models unmodified stat?
The reason most strength tests are made at the models characteristic value is because most weapons only grant +2 strength when attacking, not to the model's strength
Magical close combat weapons only apply their bonuses when being used in close combat.
Magical stat boosting spells are not necesarily the same thing.
ie. mindrazor
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You still take a strength test on your strength stat
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Originally Posted by RanaldLoec
I don't have the book on me, but if what you say is true and the wording is, "grants +1 strength to the wielder," then I say the strength test is taken at S5. It would be no different than if you had used a strength potion or had Wildform cast on you.
That's not entirely true theunwanted.
The weapons in 8th edition books either says that the wielder has +2 str, or that attacks are made at +2 strength.
Sword of antiheroes: the wielder has +1 str and +1 attack for each character in base conatct etc
Sword of might: attacks are resolved at +1 str
Fencer's blades: the bearer has initiative 10
Gold sigil sword: attacks are made att initiative 10
Edit: although the sword of antiheroes also specifically states that it only applies from the start of close combat, till it ends
Last edited by gorblud; 05-08-2012 at 22:10.
Unwantedbeing is correct on this...
Unless it specifically states it applies at all times a magic weapon can not be used for characteristic tests. Its in the FAQ
Bold part is to direct you to the relevant section of the quote.Q: When does a weapon that gives a bonus to a characteristic give that bonus?(p4)
A: Most weapons, including magic weapons, state when the bonus is given. For example, a model with the Fencer’s Blades will always have Weapon Skill 10 whilst a model with a great weapon will only have +2 Strength when striking an enemy in close combat. When a weapon does not say when the characteristic bonus applies, then it only applies when striking, or being struck, in close combat.
Spell effects however do in fact apply to characteristic test as per the FAQ unless it states only in close combat...
The bonus from ensorcelled weapons doesn't say when it applies therefore it only applies when striking, and you can not use it for a test.Q: Does a magic item or spell that gives a bonus to a characteristic, do so bonus for all rules purposes (e.g. the effect of spells, characteristic tests, etc)? (p4)
A: Yes, except for magic weapons or where the description of the item or spell specifically says otherwise.
Last edited by Blkc57; 05-08-2012 at 22:39.
Oh it was in the faq! I'm happy to be proved wrong, thank you
The effects of magical weapons (just as mundane weapons) only occur when the weapon is being used (i.e. for attacks made with it), just like the +1 S for a Halberd only benefits attacks made with it.
To do otherwise opens a huge can of worms.
The HE have a magic weapon called the Sword of Hoeth. It's rules are merely that "All hits wound automatically", says nothing about hits from the weapon, or even hits from the wielder, heck not even from the army. Therefore if magic weapons apply to things other than attacks made with them then all hits from any source wound automatically if a HE character brings the sword along. Afterall its rules are very specific "All hits wound automatically".
Edit: Haha, ninja'd with a more comprehensive answer.
Yes, well the reason I was wondering was because it says they grant the wielder +1 strength, while all the new weapons specifically states they only grant it when attacking.
I'm going to play against a friend who plays warriors of chaos, so I was arguing in his favour because I wanted to be sure what would happen if the situation ever occured. Like I said, glad to be proved wrong!
Yeah, Having the weapon strapped to your back isn't wielding it.
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Is an enscrolled weapon a weapon turned into a scroll or a scroll you hit your enemy with?
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It's a weapon wrapped in a scroll.
Actually that could be judged the other way also.
Because it DOESN'T say when it applies, it could be seen as applying all the time also.
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The FAQ clarifies that this is not the case though.
Magical weapons apply when used in combat and/or when they say they apply.
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Thank you for the quote. Too bad it's so vague: it affirms that the WS effect of the Fencer's Blades are always in effect, and yet the Strength bonus is only applicable when using the weapon to make an attack.
There's nothing in the rules that would suggest to a new player that there is a distinction between the scope of these effects.
Sure, WS comes into play both when attacking and being attacked, but it seems reasonable to assume that a modified Strength applies whenever Strength is used. But for some reason it is not.
It would have been better to phrase the Ogre Blade as something like "Close combat attacks with this weapon are at +2 Strength." This limits the scope of the effect in the item's descrption.
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T10 that's exactly what it says, that's why I brought up the question in the first place.
Fencer's blade says the wielder HAS ws10, not that attacks are made at ws10, therefore the wielder has ws10 all the time.
Ogre blade says that close combat attacks are resolved at +2 strength, not that the wielder has +2 strength.
Enscrolled weapons says they grant the wielder +1 strength. It doesn't say attacks are made at +1 strength nor does it say that the wielder has strength +1, although in my opinion it seems the wielder has +1str all the time
I stand corrected. I didn't rightly recall the text of the weapon, and for some reason I assumed it was a lot less clear, e.g. just "+2 Strength".
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But what is your view on the enscrolled weapons?
Kinda hard to see behind all the illuminations.
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