Logan Grimnars Great Company - contents?

[Atia]

Hallo Brothers!
I plan to make Logan Grimnars full Great Company, with ~ 300 warriors. I would to subdivide the company into the follow packs:

2 packs of 10 wolfguard terminators --> Huskarl Terminatorguard (in a thousand sons, russ have a huskarl guard with harpoons, i will make a few "teleport harpoons", like arjacs hammer)
6 packs of 10 "bolter" wolfguards (like sternguard, need a name :/)
4 packs of 10 "assault" wolfguards (like vanguard, need a name :/)
8 packs of 10 grey hunters
2 packs of 15 blood claws
3 packs of 6 long fangs
2 packs of 10 bikers (so, makes +20 blood claws)
1 pack of 10 skyclaws (so, makes + 10 blood claws)
1 pack of 5 thunderwolf cavalry
10 landspeeders (3x3, + one for the whirlwinds; that makes + 20 grey hunters)
3 landspeeder tempest (+3 grey hunters)
10 wolfscouts
5 wolfscout-biker (i like the bikes :>)
1 land speeder storm (makes + 1 wolfscout)
10 wulfen (like the 13th company, these wulfen cant switch into her old space marine form, so they fight into packs under the lead of a wolfpriest without a fang of morkai (the geen-seed of this wulfenbrothers can't be used twice), a "watcher of the lost")
3-6 lone wolfs (? how much :x)

so, it makes 120 wolfguard, 103 grey hunters, 60 blood claws, 18 long fangs, 16 wolf scouts, 5 thunderwolf veterans, 10 wulfen and 3-6 lone wolfs + priests (with njal, ulrik and a master of the forge) + tanks + dreadnoughts


i also want to add things like storm talons, storm ravens, leman russ exterminators or thunderfire cannons. Also, i want to make a runepriest dreadnought.

How do you like my version of the company? How you would subdivide it? should i add more grey hunters or more wolfguard?

[ChrisMurray]

I would have more wolf guard personally. I would also say his company needs to have more than 200 warriors in it. Ragnars company is described as having about 200 and being second largest only to the great wolfs company. So I would aim for maybe 200 plus say 30-50 wolf guard making for a total of 230-250.

I don't have the codex at hand and haven't read it for a while but I'm not sure if the vehicles are aligned with the company or are there own separate resource that all great companies can draw upon.

Lastly, you have no lone wolves in the great company. I'm sure over the many years Grimnar has had a company there would be many squads that have been reduced to low numbers\down to their last man.

[Atia]

I add the lone wolves and 30 more wolfguard to the list. But now, i need a name for the "bolter" and "cc" wolfguard packs ... blood guard, blood wolves, blood fangs, blood hunters for cc? grey wolves, grey guard for the bolter guard? any ideas?

[Sandlemad]

You could probably add more Thunderwolves if you like. There's so many wolf guard in Grimnir's company, there's likely to be a higher proportion of Thunderwolf riders there than any other company barring maybe Harald Deathwolf's.

Also, I'm not too sure about the wulfen. With the chapter's Wolf Priests being part of Grimnir's company, there's probably even more scrutiny of the rank-and-file for the curse.

RE: names for the different squads. In the Horus Heresy Collected Visions, there's no mention of Grey Hunters or Blood Claws, probably because the Legion was too young to have such a distinction built into its structure. Instead, you've got 'Stalker Squads' and 'Huscarls' and the like. There's more but they're not springing to mind.
Seeing as this is the company of the Chapter Master, you could make a case for these names being kept on in a ceremonial capacity for different units of his veterans, seeing as not all of them are going to fight as his bodyguard.

[Rogue Star]

My understanding is that a Space Wolves Great Company is an autonomous entity; essentially a Battle Company and Reserve Company in one, as they handle their own recruitment and training (Blood Claws) and Company veterans (Long Fangs). I'd expect the vast majority of any Great Company to be its Grey Hunters, with a few large squads of Blood Claws not yet tempered, and a few small Long Fang survivors. Wolf Guard are the hand-picked best of any of the above, but I don't see Grimnar running essentially a "First Company" like other Chapters - being the Great Wolf, means he controls the Rune & Iron Prists, access to the armory for things like Predators and Chapter's Dreadnoughts.

[Sandlemad]

My understanding is that a Space Wolves Great Company is an autonomous entity; essentially a Battle Company and Reserve Company in one, as they handle their own recruitment and training (Blood Claws) and Company veterans (Long Fangs). I'd expect the vast majority of any Great Company to be its Grey Hunters, with a few large squads of Blood Claws not yet tempered, and a few small Long Fang survivors. Wolf Guard are the hand-picked best of any of the above, but I don't see Grimnar running essentially a "First Company" like other Chapters - being the Great Wolf, means he controls the Rune & Iron Prists, access to the armory for things like Predators and Chapter's Dreadnoughts.

True but the codex mentions that Grimnir places a premium on elites in his company. Certainly he's likely to have the normal proportion of Grey Hunters and Blood Claws but I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that, as Great Wolf, he keeps around himself a larger proportion of bodyguards/retainers compared to other wolf lords.
Even if this weren't the case, he's still likely to have more wolf guard simply because his company is larger than any other.

Also, as Great Wolf, Grimnir has unprecedented access to armour, weapons and chapter relics. Equipment for the wolf guard (weapons up to and including terminator armour) is provided by their lord and it's likely he can afford to equip a larger amount compared to other companies.

[Stonerhino]

The backbone of any great company is going to be Grey Hunters.

Also the number given for Ragnaar's company is slightly squed. It's "200 battle hardened warriors" as opposed to "200 warriors". Which means that most likely Blood Claws are not included in that number. So it would be 200 Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, Wolf Scouts and Wolf Guard + Vehicle and Starship crews, each Great Company owns and opperates their own vehicles. And then about 1/2 the numbers of Grey Hunters again as Blood Claws.

Wolf Guard 20-ish (The limit until 5th ed codex)
Long Fangs 20-ish (10% seems right)
Wolf Scouts 20-ish (10% again)
Vehicle/ship Crews 10-20 (5-10%)
Grey Hunters 120-ish (Reasonable for a line Co from a codex chapter)
Blood Claws 60-ish (Swift Claws/Sky Claws and enough to be replace loses)
Total around 260 Space Wolves

Grimnar's Co would likely just include more of the specialty units (Long Fangs, Wolf Guard and Wolf Scouts). But still maintain around the same number of Blood Claws and Grey hunters.

@Thunder Wolf Cav: Those along with Lone Wolves are so specialised that there would likely only be a few scattered around the entire Chapter. Not included in every Great Company like the other more tradition units.

The Great Companies would also have elements from the "Company of the Great Wolf" to augment their fighting abilities.

[Atia]

THX for your comments brothers =) if you are interested, this is my (slowly painting) army showthread: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...arhound-titan)

[Thorin Hubertson]

I would like to add that the fluff regarding Wolfscouts has been fixed with the last new codex. There was a inconsistency in fluff, some sources added the Wolfscouts to the great companies, while in other sources the Wolfscouts were part of the company of the Great Wolf (reporting only to Logan Grimnar). Now it seems to be clear that the Wolfscouts are part of the great companies (see description of Erik Morkai's company in C:SW).
With the three largest companies at about 200-odd warriors each (including battle-, 'reserve'-, scout- and veteran-elements), it seems to be clear to me now that the chapter as a whole (with 12 great companies and the company of the Great Wolf with the priest-staff) is about (more or less) 2,000 Space Wolves or about double the strength of a codex-chapter. Looks plausible enough to me for a chapter that doesn't mind for the codex astartes: much larger than a usual chapter, but not so large as to attract the attention of the Inquisiton.