Beginner WoC, 2000 pts

[CommissarTanith]

Fantasy Army: WoC

Alright here we go, this is my first list for WoC. I don't play a lot of any fantasy any more, and haven't touched these guys since their book first came out.

Chaos, 2000 pts.

Exalted Hero (with knights)
Daemonic mount, nurgle, rending sword, shield
215

Sorcerer (With warriors unit)
lvl 2, Tzeentch, Dispel scroll x 2
195

Warriors x 15
Tzeentch, Command, Blasted Standard, Shields
330

Warriors x 12
Khorne, Command, Great Weapons (really not sure about this, should I go extra hand weapons instead?)

Marauders x 18
Slaanesh, flails, command

Marauders x 18
Khorne, Extra hand weapons, command

Marauder horsemen x 5
axes
75

Marauder horsemen x 5
axes
75

Knights x 6
Nurgle, command, festering shroud
345

Hell cannon
205

Total-1964

There we go. Have at it!

[BaSe]

You can only have 1 dispel scroll in the army. Also you really need a BSB. Personally I'd also up the size of your warriors units. They are what make woc good after all.
1 level 2 is fine but personally I'd take a level 4. That however, differs with everyone.

[bildo]

combine both units of marauders into 1 large unit with khorne and great weapons.
take great weapons off the warriors, halberds are a much better choice, warriors have great stats and a great weapon makes them attack last which sucks.
you have a lot of cavalry, and its not very good in 8th, personally id drop the knights and mounted character, add more warriors to both units and change the mounted character into either a bsb or a lvl4 sorcerer

[Moss]

I agree that taking a lvl 4 is generally a good idea, but it's nice to see someone going against the norm.

I disagree about the BSB. It'd be nice, but if you have to shell out 200+ points for it, it's more of a luxury in my opinion.

Definitely combine those marauders. MoK and GWs/flails seems to be the usual choice.

I personally would take musicians on the horsemen. Actually, I would drop one and take two units of dogs for the sake of having more units.

If you want knights, take knights.

[CommissarTanith]

New list

Sorcerer Lord
lvl 4, Tzeentch, Golden Eye of Tzeentch, Spell familiar, Dispel scroll
300

Exalted Hero
Daemonic Mount, Nurgle, BSB, Shield, Banner of Rage
270

Warriors x 20
Tzeentch, Command, Blasted Standard, Shields
420

Warriors x 20
Khorne, Command, Extra Hand Weapons
380

Marauders x 40
Khorne, Flails, Command
250

Knights x 6
Nurgle, command, Blasted Standard (?)
360

Total-1980

Okay, so I changed a few things around. I got rid of the marauder cav, and the lvl 2 sorcerer, upped the warrior units, dropped the cannon and changed the heros around.

Thoughts?

[BaSe]

Much better in my opinion. Should do ok

You have 20 points spare? How about a banner for the khorne unit? Maybe banned of swiftness to get them into combat.

[CommissarTanith]

Well, there is no banner to make them get into combat faster, so I just gave the sorcerer lord a Power Stone, to help with casting.

Actually, what about a disc of Tzeentch? Any thoughts on those? I have the points to spare if I want to.

[Moss]

Can't take the power stone, as it's a second arcane item.

I think dropping the marauder horsemen was a mistake. Your knights will never see combat with anything but enemy redirectors. You should have horses and dogs to make sure your opponent can't use small units to take your units out of the game.

[CommissarTanith]

See that's what I was thinking. That's why I had them there in the first place. Suggestions on what I should do?

Maybe drop the warrior units by 2 apiece, cut the marauders by say, 10? And buy some horsemen?

[Moss]

My suggestion is to cut the warriors. You'd have:

12 khorne warriors
18 tzeentch warriors
5 horsemen with axes & musician
2x5 hounds

plus points to spare.

[CommissarTanith]

But is that worth the loss of the warriors?

[Moss]

I believe so. Chaos warriors are what, 16 points? That's a lot of points to spend on models hiding in the third or fourth rank, especially if those models have multiple attacks.

[CommissarTanith]

Okay, how about...THIS!

Sorcerer Lord
lvl 4, Tzeentch, Golden Eye of Tzeentch, Spell familiar, Dispel scroll
300

Exalted Hero
Daemonic Mount, Nurgle, BSB, Shield, Banner of Rage
270

Warriors x 18
Tzeentch, Command, Blasted Standard, Shields
378

Warriors x 18
Khorne, Command, Extra Hand Weapons
348

Marauders x 40
Khorne, Flails, Command
250

Marauder Horsemen x 5
65

Chaos Warhounds x 5
30

Knights x 6
Nurgle, command, Blasted Standard (?)
360

Total-2001

Compromise?

[Zixtyzeffen]

You could drop the deamonic mount of a regular chaos steed. That would free up 34 points, putting you under the 2k points max and you could add another unit of 5 chaos warhounds.

[Moss]

Okay, how about...THIS!



Compromise?

I'm sold!
One last criticism (promise!). If you're not bringing axes on the horsemen, you might as well bring hounds (in my opinion); but that's just me nitpicking.

You could drop the deamonic mount of a regular chaos steed. That would free up 34 points, putting you under the 2k points max and you could add another unit of 5 chaos warhounds.

That's actually a really good idea. The only issue I see with that is that the model is so damned cool. I like his suggestion, but not if it means you can't use this model.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1050028

[Death Korp]

That's actually a really good idea. The only issue I see with that is that the model is so damned cool. I like his suggestion, but not if it means you can't use this model.
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1050028

You know you can fit him and any other Chaos Lords on Horse like daemonic steeds on Cavalry bases (25x50mm (I think thats the measurement?))? So you can use him as a guy on a Chaos Steed, you just need to change the base.

[CommissarTanith]

Okay, round 3!

Sorcerer Lord
lvl 4, Tzeentch, Golden Eye of Tzeentch, Spell familiar, Dispel scroll
300

Exalted Hero
Chaos Steed, Nurgle, BSB, Shield, Banner of Rage
236

Warriors x 18
Tzeentch, Command, Blasted Standard, Shields
378

Warriors x 18
Khorne, Command, Extra Hand Weapons
348

Marauders x 40
Khorne, Flails, Command
250

Marauder Horsemen x 5
65

Chaos Warhounds x 5
30

Chaos Warhounds x 5
30

Knights x 6
Nurgle, command, Blasted Standard (?)
360

Total-1997

Okay, so last thing, should I drop the marauder horses and do more hounds? Or use the 34 points to add axes to the horsemen?

EDIT: Oh, one more thing, the purpose behind this list is that I'm going to be building a 3,000 points chaos army and stopping, so I'm trying to limit my spending requirements to where I don't have drawers full of extra warriors. Any idea where I should head going forward? More knights, or maybe a troll and/or hell cannon?

[Moss]

Looks great to me! What 34 points? I see a total of 1997.

No clue about what to get next. I never play games bigger than 2k.

If those 34 points really do exist, my vote is axes and a musician for the horsemen.

[CommissarTanith]

Oh those, 34 points were for the regular mount instead of the daemonic one. I got another unit of hounds. but didn't know if that or getting the axes for the horsemen was better.