As a Lizardmen player and collector... I must say I disapprove. Their models are among the best looking and their book is extremely solid. There is no legit reason, as far as I can tell, for updating them ahead of Brets, WE and Dwarves.
As a Lizardmen player and collector... I must say I disapprove. Their models are among the best looking and their book is extremely solid. There is no legit reason, as far as I can tell, for updating them ahead of Brets, WE and Dwarves.
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Incomplete: 35 Saurus, 12 Temple Guard, 5 Cold one riders, 2 Stegs, 2 Scar Vets, 20ish Skinks
A Coatl would be a legit reason. Also, a plastic Carnosaur.
Mind, these are NOT rumours, not even guesswork. Just hypothetical instances of legit-ness.
Money *looksaroundandvanishesinthedark*Originally Posted by Ad-Rock
Or,to be a bit less pessimistic,they might want t review the magic phase/caster items/frogs stuff to bring it more in line with 8th edition
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Wait...they aren't releasing a new daemon book as well are they? It just models right???
I'll tell you what mate; the fact that you've gotten 100% positive replies on Warseer of all places is as sure a sign as any that you should start the army.
Knowledge: Know your own and opponents armies rules and units.
Experience: Good grasp of tactics and how rules impact on this.
Luck: At least getting an average deal from the dice.
Psych: Sometimes you can convince the opponent they are facing an uphill battle.
When they are release is less important to me then getting them right when they are released. Current wood elf book was a long time coming but well worth the wait, I can appreciate for devotees of one army that could well be a fustrating delay. Although the regular rehash of some armies while other are left, only highlights what happens when bean counters are allowed to direct a creative company, rather then support the creative drive.
Whatever happens I think its fair to say that there will be imbalance, and the need for FAQs will be apparent on release days. I just want a full set of 8th ed books before ninth is artifically forced out to meet sales requirements.
I have this dreadful feeling Slann are going to become overpriced time bombs in Temple Gurad units while the (fluff wise) rare, but just released, Coatl/Skink Priest are going to become the premier Lizardmen wizards. Pardon my doom and gloom, but I don't see any good coming out of this for Lizardmen. Our already small item selection is going to beomce even smaller and I suspect get an Empire-esque treatment while some of the most iconic and characterful aspects of the army will be unnesecarily nerfed in favour of the new toys like the rumoured carnosaur cavalry.
Think it is obvious why lizardmen are in there - like empire, vampire counts and OK (and for reasons I'll never understand Tomb Kings), GW believes that they already have a solid core of plastic minatures i.e. skinks, sarus, temple guard, stegadon. I few new fancy kits to make people go ooo, some updated character models and rules and bam. New release done. There core rules and principals are still feasible, just some points adjustments and new toys. I really really doubt they'll get a massive overhaul, like some armies in 40k are getting (i.e. necrons, dark eldar).
Based off recent releases I predict a chariot based plaquin and a really big new monster (since lizardmen have access to dinosaurs, it kinda fits)
It's also been a pattern that GW has been honing down on the more magically deviant armies. Warriors, Daemons of Chaos, High Elves and Lizardmen are pretty much the worst 4 offenders remaining. I expect all 4 to have much more balanced magic phases, or at least to pay for abilities they get.
edit: Also....allow me to shake my fist at the fact that all the fantasy and 40k chaos armies get revamps aside from Beastmen. Think of all the Ghorgons and Jabberslythes you could sell GW!
Dubya Tee Eff.
Sigh. Glad I traded painting for that Ogre army. It will give me something to do for variety until GW gets it's head out of it's backside and updates the armies most in need of a revamp. It's nearly a decade for dwarfs, and might be more than that for Brets and WEs.
If folks want to make an impact, buy your models from Mantic or Avatars, and let GW know why they're not getting your money anymore. Maybe it might motivate them differently if they know that they are losing loyalty to their competitors.
I think you're right lol!
@Montegue: Well, I'd have to buy minis from Foundry (with my 3rd/5th edition based army) and that might be more expensive than GW yet
High Elves of Caledor updated '13-05-12 | Bretonnians and Dark Elves updated '13-05-12
Models acquired / assembled-cleaned / painted / based:
2012: 41/ 50 / 25 In + 2 Ca + 1 MB = 28/ 19
2013: 20 /40/10 In +1 Ca
Currently painting: Paladin-BSB, Dragon Prince Std, Mage, Noble BSB
You're right about the model range, it is solid, but compared to other armies the list is relatively sparse, they could do with a few more army list entries. And as a long time lizardmen player myself, the book is not solid, it is flat out broken. The Slann is an abomination in the magic phase only second to Teclis in the horrifically overpowered magician stakes, the sooner they get toned down the better for everyone, including lizardmen players. I haven't played my lizards for over a year because they're just too OP in 8th.
As far as modifying the army list goes, my shopping list would be something like this; some kind of monstrous cavalry dino riders, do something to make cold one riders worth their points (they've been a non-choice for two editions and I'd really like to use them), and tone down the Slann. Oh and sort out the ridiculously crap selection of special characters.
any argument to say that they're thinking of us by turning metal to resin is as convincing as a frenzied Khorne worshipper covered in blood, still chomping on a victim, with a Khorne sigil tattooed to his forhead pleading a case of mistaken identity when questioned about a murder.
I would be all for a reasonable price increase for the Slann, but must disagree about any severe toning down. I think people tend to forget that the Lizardmen's only alternative in regards to wizards are the very squishy Skink Priests which also happen to be limited to a single BRB lore.
I am also beginning to feel very bad for Wood Elf and Bretonnian players. To my knowledge they haven't even had a wave of models or rules update to hold them over until they get new books.
Hey, it's not that bad, at least we did get a FAQ/Errata service
(Brets also have a low level of finecast, which may be a plus for some, though I actually hope for a finecast trebuchet soon as assembling the metal one was a... unique experience - as in "I did it once and will never want to repeat it")
High Elves of Caledor updated '13-05-12 | Bretonnians and Dark Elves updated '13-05-12
Models acquired / assembled-cleaned / painted / based:
2012: 41
2013: 20 /40
Currently painting: Paladin-BSB, Dragon Prince Std, Mage, Noble BSB
If by that you mean (just over) 6 years then yes. I have no doubts however that it will be nearly a decade before Dwarfs get a new book though...
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It will be worth though... When thinking about dark eldar or necrons you see what they can do with long therm proyect revamps. This is something they have probably only done for fantasy with 6th ed WE and all the models were great. Even the book was annoyingly harrassing and OP, for those who just care about tournaments.
Y'know, this is sad news for someone whose favourite armies happen to be Brets, Dwarves....and Wood Elves :/
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Brets are 9 years, WE are 8 years and dwarves 6 years if I'm not much mistaken
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Dwarf army book is technically as old if not older as Brets as their most recent codex is essentially a copy paste of the previous one with few minor changes. But ye there is no sense in doing lizardmen a relatively new codex before Brets wood elves or dwarfs or even dark elves with tonn of crap metal minis.
Weird, according to multiple sources the Bretonnian armybook was pubblished in february 2004 while searching directly for its ISNB says its been published in 2003.
Didn't even notice that Bretonnia has the oldest armybook around. If you ignore Dogs of War.
Bretonnians ARE NOT a pure Knightly army.
Half the army choices consist out of Peasants and Damsels.
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