Precinct Omega paints... Revenant Titan

[precinctomega]

Woo! Look what I got!

Not mine, of course, but belonging to a new client. It's been magnetized at the waist at the moment. I intend to magnetize also at the shoulders, but I've got to wait for the magnets to arrive before I can do that.

The brief is for a dynamic pose with Ulthwe colours. I've started assembling the base, too.

R.

[Hendarion]

I hope it can carry the weight. As cool as such poses are, but there ain't much room for really strong metallic rods in these feet.

[precinctomega]

I've got about an inch and a half of brass running up through his left foot and into his shin. My main concern is actually for the weight on the base. I was going to just use a CD, but I think I'll have to cut a circle of MDF to go underneath it so it's got a lower centre of mass and is a bit more stable.

R.

[Hendarion]

Actually I'd recommend full and real wood, not MDF

[precinctomega]

It's a case of "use what you've got" in this house. But I'd be curious to hear your reasoning on that. With an even consistency, MDF doesn't chip, splinter or split while I'm working it. It takes glue extremely well and has adequate heft to provide the lower centre of gravity I need. But then, I've worked very little with real wood other than pine. What woods would you recommend I use and why?

R.

[precinctomega]

Also, here's an update showing the complete base and pose of the titan. The shoulders are magnetized.

I'm not 100% happy with the stability of the model. It's fine for display purposes, but for gaming it might be a little fragile. I'll consult with the client as to how I might address that. A possibility is to add a second rod to the right foot and conceal it in a terrain item.

R.

[Hendarion]

Imo take a larger and thicker base. That should address the issue and would proportionally fit better. I guess you'll need that anyway, because the jetpacks and holofins will noticeably shift the centre of the mass. Still a great pose though.

[eldargal]

I agree with Hendarion, the proportions of the base are off visually an making it larger would help both that and the stability.

[precinctomega]

I definitely don't want to make the base's diameter any larger. I've looked at a lot of examples across the net and most are smaller than this. I think, once it's properly tertained, the size will look just right. The stability in terms of falling over is absolutely fine and should accommodate the remaining parts. My main concern is over the tension in the knee joint and through to the hip. Also, the whole structure wobbles alarmingly when moved.

At the moment, my plan is to drill through a terrain item in order to partially conceal a second supporting rod into the right knee.

R.

[Mega Nutz]

Out of interest what terrain features are you going use? Have you thought of having it crashing through a ruined building and using displaced walls to either support the bent leg or disguise the rod?

[Silvereye]

Actually I'd recommend full and real wood, not MDF

It's a case of "use what you've got" in this house. But I'd be curious to hear your reasoning on that. With an even consistency, MDF doesn't chip, splinter or split while I'm working it. It takes glue extremely well and has adequate heft to provide the lower centre of gravity I need. But then, I've worked very little with real wood other than pine. What woods would you recommend I use and why?

R.

I'll second the not using MDF. I've used a CD sized MDF disc as a base for my Revanant and the metal rods I used to pin it in place are slowly cutting through the base as it vibrates a bit when being moved around.

I definitely don't want to make the base's diameter any larger. I've looked at a lot of examples across the net and most are smaller than this. I think, once it's properly tertained, the size will look just right. The stability in terms of falling over is absolutely fine and should accommodate the remaining parts. My main concern is over the tension in the knee joint and through to the hip. Also, the whole structure wobbles alarmingly when moved.

At the moment, my plan is to drill through a terrain item in order to partially conceal a second supporting rod into the right knee.

Mine also wobbles, but the joints are large enough that they bond strong. The only glue joints that I have had fail are the hip plates where it's difficult to put a long pin in and they are very easy to knock.

[Hendarion]

I definitely don't want to make the base's diameter any larger. I've looked at a lot of examples across the net and most are smaller than this. I think, once it's properly tertained, the size will look just right.

I accept the first sentence, because this is absolutely your choice. But I don't agree with the other 2. Compared to normal miniatures and their proportions to their base, most Titans in the web have way too small bases. That not only looks wrong big time (or a bit like modelling for advantage), but it also is highly unstable and risky. I wouldn't want to risk my Revenant to fall over and break at various joints...
The base should cover the footprint of the entire model (except the weapons and holofins ofc) and should be in scale with the model. Most importantly though it should make sure the center of the mass is sitting safely inside the base. An inscale-base in my oppinion would a base with a diameter as shown:


However, as I said in the beginning, that is your choise and I don't wanna make rules or such. I just believe you should give it a thought, especially because most of the Revenant and Phantom-bases in the web are just oddly small.

[Flaxis]

I accept the first sentence, because this is absolutely your choice. But I don't agree with the other 2. Compared to normal miniatures and their proportions to their base, most Titans in the web have way too small bases. That not only looks wrong big time (or a bit like modelling for advantage), but it also is highly unstable and risky. I wouldn't want to risk my Revenant to fall over and break at various joints...
The base should cover the footprint of the entire model (except the weapons and holofins ofc) and should be in scale with the model. Most importantly though it should make sure the center of the mass is sitting safely inside the base. An inscale-base in my oppinion would a base with a diameter as shown:


However, as I said in the beginning, that is your choise and I don't wanna make rules or such. I just believe you should give it a thought, especially because most of the Revenant and Phantom-bases in the web are just oddly small.

Can you give us an idea of what sizes of bases you are yourself using (or have used) then Hendarion? As I agree and would prefer that my titan was stable and secure as I moved it around.

Thanks,
Flaxis

[Hendarion]

My Revanant base is 6" diameter round wood. I guess 7 would be better though. My Phantom sits on a 10x14" oval wooden base - a large breadboard - 2 over another actually, bolted together. You can find images of both in my painting log.

[Silvereye]

Can you give us an idea of what sizes of bases you are yourself using (or have used) then Hendarion? As I agree and would prefer that my titan was stable and secure as I moved it around.

Thanks,
Flaxis

Mine is 6" diameter (slightly larger than a CD). If I rebase it, I'll probably increase it to 7-8" diameter. I have attached a couple of WIP shots - it is not posed as dynamically as yours is, but the lead foot is just about touching the base, and is pinned through the toe.

[precinctomega]

Well, I managed to drop the legs and base yesterday. All is well, but I have to re-assemble them. For the record, I don't make a habit of dropping my clients' property!

In the mean time, however, I've started work on painting the bit I don't have to re-assemble. So here's a shot of the head:

R.

[synapse]

love the eyes. the red/green look great together

[harlekin]

I'm looking forward to the complete head, I have to figure out how to paint plain black armor.
The free hand looks great as well! Are you going for a mor classic Ulthwe pattern (means more yellowish colour) or the modern bone-colour?

[Inquisitor Engel]

Lovely work so far! I'm planning on perhaps adding a Revenant to my wedding registry (shhh ) and definitely want to do a similar pose.

Do you have any WIP shots of the leg under construction to achieve the pose? It'd be most enlightening!

[precinctomega]

@harlekin - At the moment, it's veering towards the more current bone colour, pending the client's final approval.

@Inquisitor Engel - And here's me having just reassembled the legs (I had a brief panic when one of the feet went missing; it turned out to have flown several feet from the original crash-site). Assembly is actually really easy. The only crucial learning point that's come out of this so far is:

Don't attach the waist jets until you've attached the body!

They are easy to position in such a way as to make it impossible to put the body on the waist, and removing and repositioning them is very hard!

R.