Two pistols equal to CCWs?

[TheBearminator]

Sorry for the miss spelling in the headline.

A model carrying two pistols can fire both in the shooting phase. And pistols count as additional close combat weapons, right? But can a model claim an additional close combat attack cause he or she's carrying for example two plasma pistols?

[Silentbob10]

simple answer is yes

[TheBearminator]

No objections? :-) Not that I can kill anything anyway as we're talking ig sergeants now. But thus dual wielding thing, is it a 6th edition thing. Could you fire two pistols simultaneously in 5th?

[A.T.]

Could you fire two pistols simultaneously in 5th?

Only seraphim, and only in the WD codex (prior to that they treated their pistols as twinlinked).

[Sexiest_hero]

it's more for looks, but yeah double shots and count as two close combat weapons.

[hobojebus]

Two pistols is two CCW so yes you get the attacks.

[AngelofSorrow]

Gonna build a Vanguard Veteran Squad all 5 with Dual Plasma Pistols.


Ready for eternal war!

[TheBearminator]

Now I'll be banned for discussing tactics in a rules thread. But do you think the twin plasma pistols are a sound choice for any character?

I mean for an IG veteran sergeant with good bs and a decent armour save (if upgraded) it sounds kind of nice. One extra terminator killer round, and another chance of a precision shot. I mean he can't fight anyway so close combat upgrades seems less necessary.

[Glen_Savet]

I have my techmarine with servoharness a mastercrafted plasma pistol. Works fine, and he wrecks people who try to charge him.

[Alsiaie]

Yeah GW got rid of the *two special* close combat weapon rule. All weapons with a Melee profile stack and give you a bonus attack unless it's a Specialist weapon. So something like two pistols or a power axe+power sword stack now. You just choose which is being used for your actual attacks. The pistol rules in the BRB also clearly state that all pistol weapons are close combat weapons.

[Grentain]

Yeah GW got rid of the *two special* close combat weapon rule. All weapons with a Melee profile stack and give you a bonus attack unless it's a Specialist weapon. So something like two pistols or a power axe+power sword stack now. You just choose which is being used for your actual attacks. The pistol rules in the BRB also clearly state that all pistol weapons are close combat weapons.

Funny thing about this is that you can now dual-wield Thunder Hammers. Not that you would ever want to do so, but Thunder Hammers are Specialist Weapons, and not two-handed.

[Alsiaie]

Yeah. I was assuming everyone knew specialists stack with specialists. A powerfist/TH plus a lightning/wolf claw have some possibilities costs aside.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

As long as I've been playing (3rd edition+), you could always dual-wield thunderhammers, but 5th edition was the only edition where it made any sense at all. Before 5th edition, you could get an extra attack by pairing it with any close combat weapon, even a bolt pistol. In 6th edition, you can get the extra attack by pairing it with any specialist weapon, notably a lightning claw. There's no tactical advantage to dual-wielding thunderhammers. (Looks cool, though.)

[MasterDecoy]

Funny thing about this is that you can now dual-wield Thunder Hammers. Not that you would ever want to do so, but Thunder Hammers are Specialist Weapons, and not two-handed.

you could always do that.....

[Nurgling Chieftain]

But do you think the twin plasma pistols are a sound choice for any character?

I mean for an IG veteran sergeant with good bs and a decent armour save (if upgraded) it sounds kind of nice.

Well, it's more points than a plasma gun without the 24" shot. So, it's definitely no gimme. But if you're already packing 3 plasma guns in a veteran squad, it's not a terrible upgrade.

[TheBearminator]

But come on, back to the question. Would you do it? I mean, you don't have to dual wield the lethal plasma pistols. As a veteran sergeant you have the mind bogging opportunity to upgrade to a set of two nickel-plated bolt pistols for just 4 pts. <sarcastic grin>

[A.T.]

Now I'll be banned for discussing tactics in a rules thread. But do you think the twin plasma pistols are a sound choice for any character?

I've seen a few sisters players take them, but sisters pay 50% more for their pistols because Cruddace only spent 5 minutes writing the dex, so it's a bit of a downer.

And for some obscure reason the option chart for the dual pistol-wielding seraphim is specifically written to prevent their squad leader from doing it ...while every other squad leader in the entire dex has the option

[TheBearminator]

Seems like a much more reasonable choice for ig in that case. Except they're less likely to survive plasma burns.

[Threeshades]

Only seraphim, and only in the WD codex (prior to that they treated their pistols as twinlinked).

Actually

Gunslinger
All models with two pistols can fire both in the Shooting phase.
This follows the normal rules for shooting.

Characters for the character god! And punctuation for his throne!

[TheRatsInTheWalls]

Actually...

Unless my memory has grossly failed me, Gunslinger wasn't a rule in 5th ed., which is the edition A.T. was talking about.