Chaos rumours from Faeit 212

[totgeboren]

Ok, I might have missed something about not posting rumours from Faeit 212, but they have been up on the web for almost a day without anyone posting anything about them, so here goes for those who don't visit other forums.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
There's been a big white dwarf overhaul for October but it's now finished and finalized.

Chaos Space Marines are available for pre-order on the 29th of September and for sale retail on the 6th of October.

They will be present at Games Day UK however, for anyone who wants to see / read but will not be for sale or pre-order even for people who are there in person.

The Horus Heresy Book 1 - Betrayal will share the same release dates, except that there will be a limited number for sale at Games Day.

The entire range of new models will be released on the 6th and 20th (Meaning that every unit entry in the book will have an available box set by the 20th. Some kits that are being redone in a year or more time are not included in what I mean when I say "entire range.")

This has been crunched to make room for another BIG 40k release in November.

and

2012 release schedule according to Hastings.
Chaos Space Marines
Warriors of Chaos
Dark Angels
Chaos Deamons/ Daemons of Chaos

So it was time to do a little more digging and find out what my sources could say, and what I could post up regarding this seemingly too tight of release schedule. Here is what I was able to find out regarding both Warriors of Chaos and Chaos Daemons......

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
Chaos Daemons and Warriors of Chaos are done in many ways except printed due to storage limitations for hard copies and them being unnecessary to be produced yet.

I think it would be a bit odd to claim that CSM will be available for preorder on the 29th if he was just talking bull. I mean, it's not like people would not remember three weeks from now...

Oh, the the source is found here.

*UPDATE*

via Faeit 212 (Anonymous Source)
Octobers White Dwarf will be released on 22nd of September.
all store managers got an email today that its release day was relocated to 22nd sept. due to the games day UK.

if the white dwarf announces something, it should be pre-orderable .

this heavily goes against the rumor you got, but usually you can preorder the major announcement that is in the WD on its release.

9th and 10th sept. there is a retail meeting taking place where all the store managers, might be a wrap up of the dark vengeance release

So now he has said preorders 8th, then 29th, and now it seems like preorders should be up at Sept 22. I dunno, one week give or take doesn't really matter to me, I'm more interested in if CSM are actually next.

New update

Dark Apostles are going to be one those new units we really do not yet know much about. Todays rumor set brings forth a few words on them and how marks affect them. Also Daemon Princes are going up in points!


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (Anonymous)
the chaos space marine daemon prince being increased by 40pts! & having the lash ability taken away for good (apparently to cheesy)
the daemon prince will have to pay the same points for wings as a daemons prince from the chaos daemons codex so it is is more balanced.

dark Apostles will be the same as the blood angels sangunary priest (can have up to 3 & they count as 1 elite)
the apostle will only give you abilities depending on the mark it has taken.

the list is as follows :
*retracted*

Earlier today we had a rumor set that gave us some information regarding Dark Apostles and Daemon Princes from the Chaos Codex. I ran it by some other sources and there were some things they corrected, and some things that were said to be right on the money. Lets take a look.


Please remember that these are rumors.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)
Dark Apostles
It's correct in how they are purchased and that they confer abilities to the unit they're in.

They universally confer fearless(because they are fearless) and furious charge. Beyond those two, the abilities that they add to the unit are not as good as the ones you have posted, and in some cases not even remotely similar.

Dark Apostles's are more along the lines of watered down cult troops, but if added to a cult unit they still "bolster" the cult units effects.

i.e. Dark Apostle in a Plague Marine unit get FnP 4+ instead of 5+, or confers a 5+ to a unit of marines or cultists.

Let me be frank though and clarify that there is no unit that gets rampage that is not limited to 3 models. It's reserved for independent characters, walkers, monstrous creatures and some multi-wound, small number units.

Your unit of 8 khorne berserkers doesn't potentially double in effectiveness by taking less of them.

Daemon Princes
The daemon prince stuff is accurate


Daemon Princes are exalted CSM's, not Daemon's (though they have the Daemon rules), so they are not the same as from the Daemon codex. They have clear heritage as space marines.

From gamesday Australia:

Jeremy Vetock said that chaos 40k were getting a lot of love shortly.

Jes Goodwin spoke about how chaos at the moment doesn't really represent the marines that have been in the warp for 10k years, particularly the vehicles. He told us that he thought there was a lot of room for new stuff in that area.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Dragon Flyer - 12/12/10

2 butcher cannons, bs3, immune to shaken/stunned, can be locked velocity as normal. Flyer only, no hover/skimmer mode. Can vector strike at strength 10. Strafing run.
Because this might be misinterpreted I'm going to be really clear: It does not have "two firing profiles." It has 2 butcher cannons, and that's it. It does not have blasts of any kind. It is "BS4" against ground targets because of strafing run (go read it, it's a USR for details).

Terminators can be upgraded to chosen, getting +1 WS (5) and +1 wound (2), and fearless. They can take marks on top of that. It gets expensive.
- Interestingly enough, when upgraded they are troops if you take Abbadon, yet normal Terminators are Elites.
There are no "chaos storm shields,"
The best you can get is Mark of Tzeench to upgrade your 5+ invulnerable from Terminator armour to a 4+.

There is a piece of chaos wargear that gives a 4+ invulnerable, but it is not a storm shield it can just be added for characters. Yes it upgrades via mark of tzeench to 3+. No it's not available for sorcerers.

Vindicator is unchanged, but can take daemonic possession (as all chaos vehicles can). No melta of any kind on it except the potential to buy a pintle-mounted combi-melta as an upgrade.

The new book has a lot to explore, and lots of fiddly options here and there.

via the Faeit 212 inbox
Thousand Sounds full squad is 20 Marines or 10 for half. 150 points gets you 4 sons and a Sorcerer. add more sons for 23 each. Sorcerer can take the boon of mutation ability (the one that gives him an extra roll on the chart at the beginning) for 10 points. he can also have meltabombs for 5 points, and you can buy an icon of flame for 15

230 Arhiman
240 for squad
although a level 3 sorcer is only 140, with mark of tzeentch he is 155

Raptors are 95 for 5, and 17 points for up to 10 more
same upgrades as before

WARP TALONS, are the new raptor. They are 160 for 5 and 30 each for up to 5 more. They all have twin lightning claws. and they have an attack on the turn they deep strike.
its not an assault on arrival. its an attack that makes everyone within 6" of the unit blinded. so if you thread the needle, they won't be shot up

Defiler is 195 now, with all the normal options.
demonforge, the ability you're thinking of, is a once per game re-roll to damage

Forgefiends are 175, they have TWO Hades Autocannons. A Hades Autocannon is 48", Heavy 4, Str 8 AP 4... pinning they are only bs 3, so it's about the same. and once per game it can reroll to-wound and to-pen you can, however, swap those weapons out for Ectoplasm cannons. which are str 8 plasma cannons. and for 200 you get THREE of them. so that's some ap 2 love
3 HP, 12/12/10 armor

Dragon 170, they have 1 hades auto cannon
3 HP, 12/12/10
they can make a melee attack against other fliers

New WD is out on the 22nd according to GW, and this was said by an anonymous poster (so most likely just bull)

The pre-order for the 22nd is the new csm battle force with rhino normal chaos marines and some cultists although I'm not sure about the numbers.

Via a reliable source according to natfka

via anonymous source
I can confirm that pre-orders start on Sept 22nd giving us a 2 week preorder time frame for an Oct 6th release.

New WD front and pics from Faeit 212. http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2012/09/im...rake.html#more

Another huge thanks to our anonymous source.
A few points that will hopefully address some of your questions:
WD:
- New format is very nice - matte cover, with semi-gloss embossed type (logo etc)
- New format feels more like a proper magazine, less like a catalogue.
- Still a number of adverts, but they don't feel as intrusive
- New style of photography is beautiful - some amazing new images included, matching the style of the 40k 6th rulebook
- More painting tutorials - though these are quite simple; more geared towards your entry level painter (which for me, being a painter first is a dissappointment)
- I haven't had a chance to properly read the editorial, nor a lot of the content, but gut feeling is the new direction is good.

Chaos Space Marines
- its coming along with the new models - within the next 2 weeks.
- Hard Cover
- Phil Kelly is the author
- Some photos of the 'dex are in the WD, though they're quite small and hard to make out text.
- Lots of background included
- Some beautiful artwork
- Several rules mentioned, including 'Veteran of the Eternal War' (not sure of the specifics as I don't have the WD handy) but from memory it gives a unit fearless (definately not 100% sure on this - might be +1LD) and Prefered Enemy (Space Marines). Cannot say if this rule is an upgrade or universal rule.
- There is a Chaos Boon table, which I believe has been discussed before. When an IC defeats an enemy IC in challenge, they can choose to roll on the table. Looks to be 2D6 (maybe even 3D6) and that IC recieves a boon for the rest of the game. Image of this table is too small to make out what each result is.
- New Maulers (CC varient oblits)

Also, more pics from the WD found here

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6427639

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6427656

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6427610

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6427838

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6427850

Seeing as how I am almost out of space, I'll just link from now on.
BramGaunt has a really nice post about rules he could gleam from the latest WD, check it out!
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6429080
and
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6429163

Supposed Chaos Boon table
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6429555

Basic chaos marines, supposedly
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6429571

Little snippet
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/...ine-drip-drip/

Photos of rules summaries!
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6429878

New champ
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...=1#post6430094

Compilation of WD pics, though they are in German
https://picasaweb.google.com/1083705...73338517312178

[Azariah Kyras]

i was hoping for a much earlier release such as the 22nd or 29th as they would seem to work especially if they wanted to cram more in this year though i guess it works for their business as not to distract sales from the main stores with gamesday being a place where most hobbyists will be and if they see the models will preorder or buy them, given the chance...

[Scammel]

Presumably, this GD reveal will be similar to the Dark Eldar one, with the guys sat at a table with their folders and a couple of cabinets of models.

[Adra]

Well maybe this years games day will have something new to see after all. I'm getting a bit sick of the shuffling release schedule of the Chaos Space Marines Codex. Seems to keep jumping a little bit each time so we never catch up to it....forever. Kinda sick of waiting now. I'm a grown man goddammit! I shouldn't have to wait for my toys!!! :P

[Rick Blaine]

I think it would be a bit odd to claim that CSM will be available for preorder on the 29th if he was just talking bull. I mean, it's not like people would not remember three weeks from now...

You mean kinda like you don't remember that 3 weeks ago he said they would be available this week, and a week later he said they would be available next week, etc?

[kench1]

I call utter nonsense on all of these rumours that we see on American Websites these days, Faeit 212, Bellof Lost Souls, Blood of Kittens,3++ etc. They have all been trashing out terrible rumours for the last 6 months and non of them have come true.

It seems clear as day to me that Dark Angels are next, their picture is on the back cover of White Dwarf, the entire Dark Angel section has been removed from GW website. People in the US (who would have no inside scoop on what is happening in the studio in Nottingham) have no other evidence that CSM are next other than they really want them out ASAP.

When CSM do not come out for 2-3 months (as I think Chaos Warriors will be before them) I hope they eat some Humble Pie. I will if I am wrong

[totgeboren]

You mean kinda like you don't remember that 3 weeks ago he said they would be available this week, and a week later he said they would be available next week, etc?

Oh, I must have missed that. But still, when was the last time Hastings was wrong? He seems to say CSM are next, though the WD would suggest otherwise...
I do hope he is correct, as I need a box of new chosen and new cultists to finish off my new CSM units from the starter!

*EDIT* Hehe, that is kind of funny, I see now from the rumour roundup that Faeit 212 did claim that preorders would be up Sept 8 three weeks ago. I feel somewhat silly now, though I just did a copy/pasta so whatever.

[Latro_]

yea i dont put much faith in any rumours anymore. It all went pear shaped when GW locked the rumourmill down and all these blogs got greedy for Ad revenue so just pump out any old crap for hits.

One thing we should be fairly sure of is that there will be a big reveal at GD this year be it DA or chaos.

If its neither then that me 100% done with gamesday.

[Avian]

Are (frequently altered) rumoured release dates even worthy of their own thread?

[Azariah Kyras]

do remember faeit 212 just takes rumours that are given and shows them to you, and for one i am glad i love rumours even if some are incorrect it gives me something to chew on for a while so my head doesnt explode as i eagerly await the codex that should have been in my hands ages ago

[bevulf]

The CSM battleforce is no longer available on GW UK Website while DA section is still full of content. Despite the inner cover of latest WD I doubt DA are next.

[Lord Commander Eidolon]

I'm hoping that chaos is next. it seems likely though and just because of the cultists, i've never known workshop put models in a starter set that arn't in the relevant codex, well that and the helbrute(it is helbrute by the way not heLLbrute) which seems to me the chaos dreadnought got a name change

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

@kench1

That's not to say the American websites do not have the possibility of having genuine rumours to share. I just find it really unlikely to be the case. GW hq is in England. I would expect the most reliable rumours to show up from someone in the UK. Or somewhere close by. The most reliable seem to be.

[Shibboleth]

I call utter nonsense on all of these rumours that we see on American Websites these days, Faeit 212, Bellof Lost Souls, Blood of Kittens,3++ etc. They have all been trashing out terrible rumours for the last 6 months and non of them have come true.

It seems clear as day to me that Dark Angels are next, their picture is on the back cover of White Dwarf, the entire Dark Angel section has been removed from GW website. People in the US (who would have no inside scoop on what is happening in the studio in Nottingham) have no other evidence that CSM are next other than they really want them out ASAP.

When CSM do not come out for 2-3 months (as I think Chaos Warriors will be before them) I hope they eat some Humble Pie. I will if I am wrong

I disagree, but I admire your conviction.

[foehammer888]

This just seems obvious at this point. The new starter box has never before seen chaos stuff (cultists, a Hellbrute) while the DA stuff is standard codex affair. Thus, the chaos codex will need an update to align with the new boxed set units sooner than the DA book. Also, recent back-of-white-dwarf photos haven't been a good indication of what's up next. With a new chaos book, and the recent starter set, its likely the battle report will be a fully updated chaos book battling an outdated DA list, which should provide an easy victory for the stars of the month's issue. That makes a DA on the back cover of WD just as applicable, as they will appear in next months issues when "the battle continues".

Also saying "all units in the book will have models by X date" isn't that hard, as there are models for everything now, so it would mostly just mean new models for new units, which pretty much universally happens with codex releases these days. No mention of specifically what models those are makes it a "cut-and-paste this" rumor to any new codex release, not specifically chaos marines.

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

Yeah. I think this particular batch of rumours is probably true. The release date matches what Hastings said and to be fair it's probably where Faeit got it from.

I don't think anyone can realistically expect Dark Angels next. At this point it's pretty obvious that Chaos is next.

People will believe what they want I guess.

[Badruk]

It seems clear as day to me that Dark Angels are next, their picture is on the back cover of White Dwarf, the entire Dark Angel section has been removed from GW website. People in the US (who would have no inside scoop on what is happening in the studio in Nottingham) have no other evidence that CSM are next other than they really want them out ASAP.

Dark Angel section still exist my friend, it is under Space Marines, Dark Angels is a sub-section!

[Excessus]

Wohoo, CSM codex rumour thread #3(or is it #4?) go!


So we can expect some CSM footage from Gamesday then?

[Rapator]

Some folk from here have incredibly short memory. Do you recall that one of Faeits sources provided us with USRs one moth (or more) before release of 6th edition rulebook. Show me one other source that came sooner with more accurate info. Just because he is not pinpoint accurate with everything, does not mean jack.

[Max_Killfactor]

I call utter nonsense on all of these rumours that we see on American Websites these days, Faeit 212, Bellof Lost Souls, Blood of Kittens,3++ etc. They have all been trashing out terrible rumours for the last 6 months and non of them have come true.

Faeit 212 throws a lot up there, some of it sticks. The rumors don't come from him though, he just posts what he hears. Blood of Kittens has been pretty accurate by my memory, I don't know why it keeps getting mentioned as unreliable. I think BoK said the fake 6th edition rules were accurate, but other than that, the vast majority has been correct. 3++ isn't even in the rumor business, he just heard all this new Eldar stuff and decided to post it. We'll see what happens with that.

I do think the American websites are less accurate than some of the UK sources, mainly because they must get their info through emails/pms instead of face-to-face conversations with people, but Blood of Kittens is usually right. There has been a lot of rumors posted about Chaos, in a few weeks the divide between the reliable and unreliable sources will be much clearer.