Chaos rumours from Faeit 212

[Azariah Kyras]

I predict this will be the next Chaos thread (out of _?)to be closed for going off topic

My questions for the H's or anyone in the know

are the new units bigger/smaller/same size as regular Marines? (would be nice for army silhouette reasons)
Will new kits have multiple bits for specific chaos allegiances or just generic/specific only?
with the mentioning of chaos marines becoming more than just marines with spikes, what are the biggest physical changes you have noticed? (I may have miss-heard this from earlier, me thinks)
What are the biggest design changes in the models you have noticed? and will they be in-line with the DV set? (thematically)

I am not a chaos player but I can always appreciate when cool models come out

1. well they will most likely keep with the same size as normal marines but i have noticed from the DV set that the chosen are bulkier and have larger shoulder gaurds
2. im hoping it would sell better that way and would allow for a very customisable box of goodies
3. - 4. well they are meant to be space marines who have been heavily tainted by the warp especially because they have been in the eye of terror for over 10k years, looking at the chosen, chaos lord and helbrute they all show great signs of this and im hoping they show this with the new models that will be released if they are to keep with the theme several things that are quite noticable is that the armour is more detailed with dark runes, bone tearing through armour, fleshy tendrils, daemonic faces and more or less better helmets (love me some good helmets, the chaos lord is to die for) all in all i just cant wait

hope that helped a little

[Flufflyrabbit]

"Warped" is pretty much the description here I guess. DV is a good example of how we should expect the new CSM should be. Maybe the Rulebook cover would also be a good reference of their looks.

If there's still a difference between regular Chaos Marines and Chosen, I personally will buy the Chosen and use it as the regular ones just for the looks.. even if it's more expensive.

[MajorWesJanson]

1. well they will most likely keep with the same size as normal marines but i have noticed from the DV set that the chosen are bulkier and have larger shoulder gaurds
2. im hoping it would sell better that way and would allow for a very customisable box of goodies
3. - 4. well they are meant to be space marines who have been heavily tainted by the warp especially because they have been in the eye of terror for over 10k years, looking at the chosen, chaos lord and helbrute they all show great signs of this and im hoping they show this with the new models that will be released if they are to keep with the theme several things that are quite noticable is that the armour is more detailed with dark runes, bone tearing through armour, fleshy tendrils, daemonic faces and more or less better helmets (love me some good helmets, the chaos lord is to die for) all in all i just cant wait

hope that helped a little

Well, the chosen shoulder guards are larger for two reasons. First, they have the large trim plating. Second, they tend to have surface detail that adds to their silhouette.
Hopefully they will use the chosen style backpacks for future chaos marines. So much better looking than the long vent style CSM have now.

[Azariah Kyras]

Well, the chosen shoulder guards are larger for two reasons. First, they have the large trim plating. Second, they tend to have surface detail that adds to their silhouette.
Hopefully they will use the chosen style backpacks for future chaos marines. So much better looking than the long vent style CSM have now.

that makes sense and i totally agree

[chaosbubbles]

I would hope that they bring back more back story to some of the factions of the CSM. I enjoy playing Iron Warriors but this last Codex did not really give them much thought.

[Shibboleth]

There's Warpsmiths and new Obliterator types... Anything connected to the Dark Mechanicus would likely be used by Iron Wariors too, so new Daemon Engine would be there for them.

[IAMNOTHERE]

Speaking of which, are there any details on warp smiths and the new oblit?

[foehammer888]

I just hope the iw are in period lol every other legion is getting love but no real rummors about the iw and special units tied to them

Granted these are all rumors

Iron Warriors
- the split of obliterators into 2 similar units, olbiterators (shooting) and maulers (close combat)
- early rumors mentioned some types of artillery being added to the list (meaning chaos versions of the thunderfire cannon)
- early rumors mentioned the possible addition of "warp smiths" (might be similar to techmarine, and then could add the artillery types to this unit)
- early rumors mentioned a new LR variant similar to the crusader/redeemer specialized at assaults
- rumors of this new "forgefiends" which seem to be shooting oriented daemon engines.

Word Bearers
- addition of many "daemon/possessed" units to the list, including improved rules for possessed, "warp talons", maulers,
- daemon engines improved (defiler, addition of the forgefiend)
- likely addition of "dark apostle" to the lists
- addition of cultists

Night Lords
- addition of "warp claws" to the FA slot, a unit rumored early on to be a "night lords style cult unit"

Alpha Legion
- addition of cultsts to the list

the big 4 cult armies
- rumored improvements to several cult units (noise marine weapons, poisoned PM weapons, better AP on Khorne beserker weapons
- inclusion of both "marks" and "icons" as unit options, allowing builds for non-cult units that approach "cult" status (i.e. a terminator unit with marks and icons of khorne will be farily similar to the WE cult terminators of old
- link between HQ and "cult units' as troops. So all cults are elites unless your HQ has the mark of the associated god, then the cult is a troops choice
- ability to mark/dedicate vehicles to the gods, not just units

And of course black legion gets a bit of everything.

Seems like most armies got something, but IW are rumored to get more than most.

[Cheexsta]

- the split of obliterators into 2 similar units, olbiterators (shooting) and maulers (close combat)

Don't know if this has been posted around here yet, but not too long ago on Heresy Online there was a claim that these would not actually be called "Maulers", with a hint that it may actually be more like "Mutilators". I know this has no bearing on your post, but I thought it might help generate discussion.

Regarding the rest of your post, sounds like a good summary. Just to be clear to anyone reading this list: remember that the codex reportedly won't be having actual rules for each Legion, but these new additions will make it easier to theme an army towards a particular Legion while still being available to everyone.

[Shibboleth]

I think 'warp talons' and 'warp claws' are referring to the same unit too.

[Lord Commander Eidolon]

Weren't we suppossed to get a new batch of rumours yesterday?? And is the bloody release september or october?

First weekend (6th) of October seems to be the general consensus. Games day UK is supposed to be the "reveal" but Octobers White Dwarf is on the 22nd of this month so we shold know by next week for definate either way

[Cheeslord]

My brother seems to feel that the new CSM codex will come out within 1 or 2 weeks from now. he won't name his sources, and was hoping to find something here backing it up ... can't see anything, everyone is saying October as far as I can tell, so maybe he's just hallucinating. Costs me nothing to wait and see, but my half of the starter set (chaos of course) is assembled and primed, and having some proper rules would be handy (I collect Daemons and got the CSM for allies - I'm not going to get the old codex now, and it wouldn't have anything for the cultists anyway). has anyone else any reason to think its coming out this month? (apologies if this was discussed earlier in the thread;- I really should be doing homework now...


Mark.

[Azzy]

I don't. That was easy. It's all the people who are doing that, that cause the problem. And I can't tell them how to make or convert their armies. But GW does.

So, if you'll be able to play the army how you like, what does it matter how someone else plays their army?+

[Wrath]

I think 'warp talons' and 'warp claws' are referring to the same unit too.

I thought these were the super raptors.

[Shibboleth]

I thought these were the super raptors.

Yep, all the same thing.

[BTJ]

I thought these were the super raptors.

They are. Hopefully the regular kind will be troops and these fast attack, if only for the people who think night lords=Jump packs -_-

[Flufflyrabbit]

They are. Hopefully the regular kind will be troops and these fast attack, if only for the people who think night lords=Jump packs -_-

I doubt Raptors will be troops, unless there's a new SC which allows them to be unlocked as troops. We will only get Marines and Cultists as the only basic troop choice in the upcoming codex.

Most people do associate Nightlords being all jump pack-based army, which is wrong. They are well known to be experts in applying fear/scare tactics. In most cases they use Raptors to execute this, but not necessarly. In the past 2 codici Raptors had the rules to apply and reflect this, such as "Daemonic Visage", "Hit and Run" and "Fearsome Charge". Unfortunatly the current codex portraits them as being bland assault marines with no special rules at all (well what do we expect from Gav), which I find pretty disappointing. Hopefully they will receive something, like Hit and Run, in the upcoming codex. At least it might make things more interesting.

[BTJ]

I doubt Raptors will be troops, unless there's a new SC which allows them to be unlocked as troops. We will only get Marines and Cultists as the only basic troop choice in the upcoming codex.

Most people do associate Nightlords being all jump pack-based army, which is wrong. They are well known to be experts in applying fear/scare tactics. In most cases they use Raptors to execute this, but not necessarly. In the past 2 codici Raptors had the rules to apply and reflect this, such as "Daemonic Visage", "Hit and Run" and "Fearsome Charge". Unfortunatly the current codex portraits them as being bland assault marines with no special rules at all (well what do we expect from Gav), which I find pretty disappointing. Hopefully they will receive something, like Hit and Run, in the upcoming codex. At least it might make things more interesting.

Oh, I agree entirely, it's more so I don't have to listen to complaints about it from the majority who think that way

[Erazmus_M_Wattle]

Well I have heard that the Forgefiend box does come with an alternate build.

The Helldrake may come with an alternate build too but I'm not getting my hopes up on that one.

[Theocracity]

An alternate build for the Forgefiend makes sense, even though it does add to the feeling of "wait, we have how many different kinds of walkers?" I guess when you're in the Warp, wheeled vehicles are for wusses.

I got a sudden chill. A vision of the future, where hundreds of voices on the Internet complain about how GW named everything in the Chaos dex after something Hell based.