Idea for WYSIWYG

[Tankhappy]

Ok, so I've been trying to wrap my head around an idea of how to use my slugga n choppa boyz as shootas but without having to convert all 140 of them.

I was wondering if a shoota (gun) bit was mounted on a stand and placed on something similar to a flyer-like base, would a tournament accept this?

My idea is in the attachment picture. I would make it about 3" high.


Example layout looking from above of 30 orks:

x x x x x x x x x x
x x x x x.x x x x x
x x x x x x x x x x

x = orks

. = stand with shoota bit.

[Gingerwerewolf]

I very much doubt it.

For example what happens when the two different Squads, of differntly armed Choppa / Counts as Shoota boys are close by. How would I, as your opponent be able to tell the difference between a model from one squad and another.

Sorry dude but Im thinking that is going to cause issues - especially at tournaments.

[Shnerg]

I very much doubt it.

For example what happens when the two different Squads, of differntly armed Choppa / Counts as Shoota boys are close by. How would I, as your opponent be able to tell the difference between a model from one squad and another.

Sorry dude but Im thinking that is going to cause issues - especially at tournaments.

This. Furthermore, a really anal opponent could complain about obscuring LoS.

[Tankhappy]

I very much doubt it.

For example what happens when the two different Squads, of differntly armed Choppa / Counts as Shoota boys are close by. How would I, as your opponent be able to tell the difference between a model from one squad and another.

Sorry dude but Im thinking that is going to cause issues - especially at tournaments.

What if I just used all shootas? If all my slugga/choppa boyz are supposed to be counted as shootas, i would just need a stand in each unit just to show my opponent that they are all shoota boyz. Would it be so different compared to a whole bunch of WYSIWYG shootas from multiple units being in close proximity to each other during gameplay/setup? I could see problems if their in a building but other than that not sure. As for LoS I could simply remove the little stands, the support beam would be really thin (as in paper clip diameter thin) on a base smaller than a little coin. Perhaps this idea is doomed to fail...

[agurus1]

Yeah sorry to burst your bubble but if your tourney is using wysiwyg then the actual models need to be modeled appropriately, not simply in proximity to a marker that shows this unit is actually equipped with this weapon instead of what they are modeled with. Pretty much spits in wysiwyg's face

[Tankhappy]

Haha, why yes, yes it does! It's kit bash time then

[Clang]

The good news is you just need to extend the slugga barrels somehow to make them into shootas - I don't see anyone moaning about the choppas in the boyz' other hands.

[Gorbad Ironclaw]

If all you where using is shoota boyz there there really shouldn't be any confusion and personally I'd be perfectly fine with you just saying that all normal boyz are shootas. If you want both there is going to have to be some sort of visual distinction between them.

[Yabyahoo]

I've seen people use this for Tyranid Biomorphs. They put some Adrenal Glands or Toxin Sacs on a base and put that with a squad of gaunts. I guess it's different with weapons though.

-Yab

[totgeboren]

With friends I think it would just be enough to say "all my boys are shoota boys", but at a tournamnent, you need to follow wysiwyg, so I don't think this would fly.
On the other hand, plasticard rods/tubes are really cheap, and it's incredibly easy to just convert the sluggas into shootas by giving them a long barrel.

[mojo jojo]

Can you just paint the shoota and glue or puddy them to the back of each Ork?

[Moriarty]

Can you just paint the shoota and glue or puddy them to the back of each Ork?

Indeed. Though if I faced an army of Slugga boyz 'counts as' Shoota boyz at a competition, I would have no problem with it.

[Wishing]

This kind of question brings out the cynicism in me, and actually makes me dislike the game more than anything else I can imagine. I really hate this dilemma. Shoota boys are much more effective in game than slugga boys. But slugga boys, thanks to black reach, cost only a small fraction of what shoota boys cost. So all ork players are left with a really unpleasant choice that they should never have to make. Either pay four times the cost to get shoota boys, or ignore WYSIWYG and pretend sluggas are shootas, or spend ages converting each model for no reason other than game efficiency, or use a crappy unit and suffer in game. All of these options are bad.

[Archon Deloth Vyrr]

This kind of question brings out the cynicism in me, and actually makes me dislike the game more than anything else I can imagine. I really hate this dilemma. Shoota boys are much more effective in game than slugga boys. But slugga boys, thanks to black reach, cost only a small fraction of what shoota boys cost. So all ork players are left with a really unpleasant choice that they should never have to make. Either pay four times the cost to get shoota boys, or ignore WYSIWYG and pretend sluggas are shootas, or spend ages converting each model for no reason other than game efficiency, or use a crappy unit and suffer in game. All of these options are bad.

I guess it just comes down to how you look at it. (Glass half empty vs half full)

You see buying regular Boyz as overpriced, the way I see it is, the Black Reach Orks are a bargain. You get a hefty discount for purchasing them this way as opposed to buying regular Shoota boyz, and all you need to do is some conversion work to get them how you want them. With all that money saved, its quite a good tradeoff if you ask me.

[Threeshades]

This kind of question brings out the cynicism in me, and actually makes me dislike the game more than anything else I can imagine. I really hate this dilemma. Shoota boys are much more effective in game than slugga boys. But slugga boys, thanks to black reach, cost only a small fraction of what shoota boys cost. So all ork players are left with a really unpleasant choice that they should never have to make. Either pay four times the cost to get shoota boys, or ignore WYSIWYG and pretend sluggas are shootas, or spend ages converting each model for no reason other than game efficiency, or use a crappy unit and suffer in game. All of these options are bad.

Well now that the Black Reach box is out of print, it will be much better, both slugga AND shoota boyz will be expensive again.

I'm sorry but I find it strange that someone would complain about being able to get models cheaper, even if the arent the best choice for their category

[Scalebug]

I'm sorry but I find it strange that someone would complain about being able to get models cheaper, even if the arent the best choice for their category

There might be some Whineseer '12 whining award coming up, you have to get creative with your complaints to catch the judges eyes... :P

[Wishing]

You're right that it would be silly to complain about being able to get models cheaply. And that's not my intention. My complaint, if any, is that slugga boys are inefficient in the game. It just sucks that the most cheaply available (at least previously) ork boy model is not worth fielding, so everyone wants to turn them into or use them as something else.

[Lord Damocles]

1) Get styrene rod
2) Convert
3) ???
4) Shoota

[Plastic Rat]

I think you should just go the whole way and play with coins that way you can differentiate between different squads by using different denominations of coin.

[Threeshades]

I think you should just go the whole way and play with coins that way you can differentiate between different squads by using different denominations of coin.

Don't be silly, coins do not nearly have the right height. They would get cover and vanish from LOS way too easily.