So here's one for you...
A canon does not need to see its trget right?
So I could just shoot at anything anywhere on the table (orivided there are no obsticles in the way?
Could I then shoot a few inches from the flank of an engaged unit, as it happends the balls of course bounces straight into the lines of my opponent.
Thereby shoot at a unit in close combat!
I wasnt aiming for it. The balls bounces that way, as well as a stone thrower might scatter into n engaged unit??...
Page 112 of the rulebook.
You can't fire a cannon in a way that would hit a unit in combat or a freindly unit.
That said, there is nothing preventing you firing at things you cannot see so long as you obey the above rule.
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Originally Posted by RanaldLoec
The target point on the table top needs to be visible from the cannon, of course. And I've yet to meet a player that uses cannons and would not claim to be able to draw line of sight through any number of models, between a thousand pairs of legs if need be.
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That's what laser pointers are for. Hold it at the barrel and see where the little red dot ends up. Unless the barrel is just a couple mm off the table, good luck seeing thru that sea of legs....lol
IMO, Only disperate people take those shots.
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The same ones who shot at a spot in the air......lol
how do they manage to justify that?
I belong to the group that refuses to believe that it's impossible to hit a dragon with a few goblins scattered in front of it.
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From the perspective of a supervillainous mastermind, those are synonyms.
If you can see it you can shoot it. It's pretty simple. You can target either a model or a point on the ground.
Unless at some point the intial shot or its bounce has the POTENTIAL to strike something in combat or a friendly model, then the shot is a no go. Here is how I judge whether a shot is legit with a cannon...pick your point and establish the vector of the shot from the cannon, next measure a 20 inch line (thats the maximum overshoot plus the maximum bounce) down the vector starting from the point you chose, does the line cross any model engaged in close combat or any friendly model? If no then the shot is good and you can take it, if yes then you must choose another target point as the shot is illegal.
Actually, what you can actually hit is the "target point" plus 2-through-20 inches, not 0-through-20. The first artillery dice roll doesn't count the misfire as 0.
This spans 18" that can be affected.
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Shouldn't it technically be the LoS of the crew? I mean i know it's not but they are the ones aiming it. Just thinking it'd be neat to have one crew based a little high and one crouching down lol. So you have options. I have def seen cannons on bases that were modeled to be 2 or 3 inches off the table though and most tournaments allow it which is silly.
It's all about reining in the modelling for advantage, while allowing the creativity of a goblin in a crows nest and things like that, and levelling the field between if you want to have your crew on separate bases as "wound counters" or want to model them on a base with the machine (which often allows for more nice looking realism as they are working their gun) and mark of lost crew as you would with any other multiwound model.
The people putting their cannons on little hills and what not are breaking the spirit, if not the letter, of the rules. Reasonable players keep in mind that the rules assume you are using "standardized" models, and adjust for that, but you can't stop the ********** from trying to weasel in an advantage, you can just sigh at them. The advantages of a most reasonable height differences are neglible in any case. +3" height though should have been yellow carded or at least told that they should measure LOS from the position of a cannon placed on the floor, by any serious TO.
As has been pointed out, a cannon does have to see its target as it is not an indirect fire weapon and cannot shoot into close combat.
Only Skaven may do this with the WFT but they seemingly get a special dispense for everything.Could I then shoot a few inches from the flank of an engaged unit, as it happends the balls of course bounces straight into the lines of my opponent.
Thereby shoot at a unit in close combat!
I sometimes use cannon in my Empire army, and there is self-evidently a point at which LoS will be completely blocked. Most commonly this happens when multiple units are in the way, models wear shields (CW!), are relatively small (Skaven), numerous enough (Skaven) or locked in a close combat. And that is a respectable list of LoS blockers even without terrain.
Did I mention Skaven yet? Their cannon is elevated and already modelled for an advantage by GW.
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