I know Angron turned many into berzerkers by lobotomization, but are there any other companies (if they even follow the same hierarchy as those worthless loyalists) that are just plain old World Eaters marines?
i checked to see if that was previously asked but i couldn't find anything.
While I think that they don't via actual background (hard to remember), it could well be justified by having to "earn" the right to be lobotomized. You don't get that good at combat just by practicing and going crazy from surgery, you need experience. I'd assume thusly that there's some sort of precursor to berzerkers.
All World Eaters are berserkers, but not all berserkers are World Eaters. In the old days, there was mention of the "Teeth of Khorne" - Khornate Havocs, more or less. I think that it's perfectly acceptable to include them, though I'd kit them out with assault weapons rather than autocannons and the like. Also, the Librarians of the legion became "Blood Priests"; tallymen and adepts in blood magic. That was before the World Eaters were said to have slain their Librarians; again, I'd be fine with seeing them - but as Aspiring Champions or something, rather than the Chaos Sorcerer.
'Every member of the World Eaters Legion is a Beserker, although not every Beserker originates from that Legion.'
Codex: Chaos Space Marines (3.5 ed.), pg.29
Of course, being classified as a 'Beserker' doesn't automatically mean that you're bat poop crazy hit-them-in-the-face-with-an-axe all the time; as illustrated by their vehicle crews etc.
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It could be that they use servitors hardwired into their vehicles or bound daemons? I do agree with your first point, though.Originally Posted by Lord Damocles
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I am bemused by the idea of a "normal" Chaos Marine.
Pre Heresy there were some Normal World Eaters, after they accepted Khorne into their life, no.
There were no, what you would call normal World Eaters, every member of the World Eaters had the same procedure done to them, and with Angron overseeing the process no one was missed.
Some World Eaters could handle it and appear "normal" but some couldn't, and I would guess that most would lose their control once battle started.
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okay so if i wanted to have a world eaters specific army my only logical troop choice (lore wise) would be berzerkers? is the first company comprised of terminators still? also, is there a world eaters omnibus that i can learn up on all of this stuff? how would i include havocs or raptors. just kit bash with berzerkers and use the rules of regular old havocs or whatever. or is just that there are nothing BUT zerks in the world eaters chapter?
Outfit the Havocs with assault weaponry as previously mentioned, that'd be a good way of adding Havocs that still want to get to grips with the enemy (due to the plasma gun/flamer/melta's short range, you don't have much choice in the matter).
In regards to Raptors, they are the leftovers of the Assault Squads of the Legions. There is nothing wrong with the concept of jump pack equipped Khornate Berserkers in a Raptor squad.
First Company wouldn't exist as such. The World Eaters don't exist as a Legion anymore, due to the battle of Skalathrax. There'd be plenty of World Eaters running about with Terminator armour (hit up the Forge World website to see Zhufor and the conversion kits) and to even have a crack at getting that armour, you'd have to be a veteran and a bad ass to boot.
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I just had the funniest darn mental image. Two berserkers, chainaxes mag-locked on their backpacks, going around the neighborhood, knocking on doors, asking people "Good day, sir, do you have a minute to talk about the Blood God?", "Would you mind contributing towards building a new Skull Throne in your neighborhood?" and "Have you let Khorne into your life yet?"
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I assumed they drove the vehicles by repeatedly smashing them with axes.
I used to be annoyed by the idea that the World Eaters Legion is no more, reduced to packs of lunatics hacking at each other, but it actually seems quite poetic that the greatest killers in the universe have so perfected their craft (at the exclusion of all else) that, ironically, they are no longer really capable of waging war on their own.
Without infrastructure or support they are forced to rely on others to even get to a decent warzone. Their own dedication to violence actually impedes their ability to wage war.
Granted, it sucks if you want to collect a World Eaters army, but it does seem a nice and chaos-y form of damnation.
The World Eaters actually have marines who are still focused enough to perform certain roles such as ship captain or techmarine, if Legion of the Damned is anything to go by. They're axe-crazy, foaming-at-the-mouth nutjobs just like the rest of the legion, but they can do their jobs to a somewhat passable degree...
At any rate, I always thought it'd be fun to field havocs for a World Eater army, and justify them as the berzerkers who took the least skulls last deployment, and are the current laughing stock of the legion. Basically, the others would depose them of their chainaxes and throw them in the last drop pod / rhino to leave for the front, with nothing but long range heavy weapons on hand - to give them a sporting chance to catch up on the kill count. I could well imagine why WE havocs would be such a fearsome gun line in this case = the guys would do anything to earn their place back in the first ranks again...
Chaos Marines? I'm not sure about that. But in all honesty, I think it's been documented enough that being a Berzerker doesn't mean you're constantly in an uncontrollable, frothing frenzy. See the last Codex, for instance, where Berzerkers are quoted as giving fine speeches and holding rational conversations with one another even in tense situations.
I think the stereotype of Berzerkers doing nothing butgoing on frenzies is simply the meme of Kharn. And even then, I'd like to see how "Chosen of Khorne" depicts him. He doesn't just mutter the same three words over and over. For instance, in William King's "The Wrath of Kharn", he is not shown as being a mindless warrior by any means. The charge he leads at the beginning of the story, for instance, comes under planned, concerted artillery cover provided by Titans - that's tactical coordination. He speaks simplistically, but is certainly able to express himself in lucid, complete sentences, and he does think in complex terms - even if his aims are simplistic (fulfillment through martial prowess and killing).
And where is the prince who can afford so to cover his country with troops for its defense as that 10,000 men descending from the clouds might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief before a force could be brought together to repel them?
There are a few totally insane (part or most of the time) guys like Angron and post Skalathrax Kharn, but your average joezerker is perfectly capable to empty his magazine before he bashes your skull in with it.
The blood angels death company are supposed to be several degrees of crazy above khorne marines.
I'd say there are those that worship khorne and love battle but wont simply run at the nearest titan to hit it with a chain axe without first having a battle plan. Once battle has been joined then well they will most likely give in the call of the blood god.
Those who have become true bezerkers would be employed as shock troops. I really don't like the current trend that all world eaters are debased chaos loons, if they were then they simply wouldn't exist as a military formation due to hurling themselves at at enemy fortifications and units without thought for tactics.
The HH novella shows the world eater captain showing patience and caution before launching his murderous strikes, even though many of those that turned to the worship of the blood god became even more savage in there bearing they are still soldiers at the core and would still recognise tactics and sound strategic thinking.
The World Eaters don't exist as a military formation. They exist in name only in warbands. They survive through being
a) Space Marines
b) Space Marines with murderous, bloodthirsty rage
c) Space Marines with murderous, bloodthirsty rage with a giant axe
d) Space Marines with murderous, bloodthirsty rage with a giant axe in groups of other like minded Space Marines with the aforementioned qualities.
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In the pics of the new codex so far, neither the World Eater bit, or Berzerker bit mentions that most hated and limiting line 'All World Eaters are Berzerkers...'
I take this as a good sign...
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What makes the numbers of a warband? 30? 50? 100? all numbers requiring military discipline, tactical and strategic planning, if as you are saying they are simply unhinged loons than they would simply attack everything on sight and simply wouldnt exist any more as they would have been wiped out by friend and foe alike. Whilst bloodthirsty yes i highly doubt they would be able to survive without a modicum of intelligence. Orks are simple bloody minded creatures yet according to fluff are well known for possesing a low cunning that allows them to survive in universe of pain and hurt.
World eaters are former astartes... warriors without equal and made for war. Burn main kill is there thing yes, but it isn't everything about them, capable of clear thought? yes. Former soldiers even though psychotic killers are still soldiers and will maintain there discipline until combat in which they give in to the blood lust.
They survive with the list you gave, yet without intelligence as low as it may be, they would have wiped themselves from the face of the galaxy.
In one of the HH novels we've got a World Eater berserker who goes completely postal whenever he wants to go that way but still has enough intelligence and cunning to sneak about inside a Word Bearer ship for days and even weeks without killing anyone or getting caught... Just because he understands that there is a time for crazy murder and time for cunning.
Order. Unity. Obedience.
He was a Loyalist, though, and hadn't fallen to the worship of Khorne. On the other hand, it was the World Eaters' inability to restrain their murderous urges that raised the alarm in the first place.
The Gothic and the Eldritch shows a Khorne Berserker as well as a World Eater Marine (with a heavy plasma gun); at one time, the two were not necessarily the same thing. If the new Codex has removed the stipulation that "all World Eaters are Berserkers", so much the better.
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