"This codex is a mockery of justice!
My <insert army theme> list is useless; I guess I'll have to shelve my <insert army theme> until the next edition comes out. There's no way this list can compete against the <insert Ward codex> armies that everybody plays at the tournaments. And the models are ugly too.
Fail, GW. Solid fail."
There you go, guys. Something to copy/paste every time a new codex comes out. Don't say I didn't do anything for you.
Originally Posted by MajorWesJanson
Well done. You've played Warhammer for 12yrs and yet you are acting like you've only been alive for that long. I mean how dare a business try to make money, and how dare a bunch of writers change the fluff that they own and wrote...
as soon as one or two armies get good anti air then the necron and IG fliers will be much less usefull.
and as for codices being written by a team and no one else, there is a position as the warhammer 40k overfiend that is the head of games development for the game system, who is supposed to work with the overarching strategy. This used to be Andy Chambers no idea who does it now.
and this i why warseer needs a like button.
Last edited by TheDungen; 07-10-2012 at 20:46.
Good points, man. I'm thinking about doing something similar to that horde concept for my Traitor Guard's CSM allies. Although I'm divided as to which Fast Attack choice to go with: Raptors or Bikes?
Well done. You've played Warhammer for 12yrs and yet you are acting like you've only been alive for that long. I mean how dare a business try to make money, and how dare a bunch of writers change the fluff that they own and wrote...
So Chaos marines are now the Zerg rush army.
(Mr Burns voice) Excellent
"Reason is a thing of God, inasmuch as there is nothing which God the Maker of all has not provided, disposed, ordained by reason - nothing which He has not willed should be handled and understood by reason" Quintus Tertullian
Zerg Rush list, just for you sir:
Khorne/Slaanesh Lord on Mount
3 CC Brutes
140 Cultists
15 Spawn
3 Maulerfiends
Sure your Zerglings are slower than your Roaches (Spawn) and Ultralisks (Maulerfiends), but once they get there they'll tarpit everything!
I am not so sure about the marine-zerg rush really. "Horde" marines isnt really done THAT well by this codex.
you get the 20 man units with icons, which are point-efficient, but other than that? What exactly can they do, that loyalist marines cant?
And with these, the Zerg isnt that high on the scale either.
I also dont really beleive in the mass-cultist rush.
Either they are to easy to drive back or kill via moral, or(with typhus) they lack the killing power, as they are armed with only a single closecombat weapon.
Or a dislike button.
I dont really like Smug people who think they are clever by disregarding justified complaints.
Sure, I admit, that its impossible to please everyone, but this chaoscodex didnt even try. Yes, even if this codex were good, ppl would find something to complain, but this book just isnt very good.
No Legion-rules, not even a demon weapon for every god, no named upgradecharacters, still no real cult-terminators, no specific buyable mutations, too high point costs on many places, no real answer to flyers, a questionable army-wide special rule ect. are justified complaints.
If chaos doesnt deserve these, then SW,BA,DA,BT dont even deserve a codex.
Write your own chaos codex :-)
NOTE: my use of the word "powergamer" is not meant as a derrogatory or inflammatory word used in a negative context. It is used to describe a type of player that uses power builds
The ones in bold seem to be verry legid to me . The rest I think is just well a bit of a wish.
But those 3 seem to me like core things one would expect considering the subject and the other recent codex releases.
So that is where I get most of my disappointment from.
(That and no infiltrate but I admit that's just wistfulness on my part)
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I am surprised by the cost on some of the options in the book.
You could buy a mark of nurgle for your lord, or pay 5 points more and gain a bike.
Really? I am glad that jump packs went down in cost, but pricing bikes so much lower after the huge boost they received in 6th?
The price for a ML 3 sorcerer is just absurd.
However, I am happy about the options the characters can have. Sorcerers with a forceweapon and dualwielding a power weapon in terminator armour is rather cool.
And at the same time, none of the none-HQ models have more options then what comes in the kit. Massive fail.
I think it would have been a fun codex to get into, but I am still working on my BA. Will pick up a box Raptors and use their jumppacks and some more bits to extend my Mark V assaultsquad though and my DV chaos gets another squad of chosen.
Oh, and whoever said that terminators could ride on mounts: You are forever dead to me.
Alas, my dream of making a centaur from the bloodchrusher/terminator set was not meant to be.
They're 2-3pts cheaper and can take larger squad sizes.
- 15 CSM, 2 Meltas, Mark of Khorne with CCW is only 255pts
- 15 CSM, 2 Plasmaguns, Mark of Nurgle is 280
- 15 Havocs with Autocannons is 345
- 15 Chosen with Meltas is 420
- Huron to Infiltrate Chosen
90 Marines at 2000pts.. 2 scoring unit are T5, and so much Melta/Autocannons they won't know what to shoot first.
What would a real answer to flyers be specifically?
NOTE: my use of the word "powergamer" is not meant as a derrogatory or inflammatory word used in a negative context. It is used to describe a type of player that uses power builds
Vs AV11:
12 Autocannons = 4 hits = 1.3 Pen
12 Flakk Missile = 8 hits = 2.6 Pen
Forgefiend = 1.33 hits = 0.89 Pen
Sergeant manning a Quad Gun = 3.33 hits = 1 Pen
Heldrake = 0.66 Pen on the fly-by, 1 Pen from shots
5 Rapid Firing Plasma Chosen = ~2 hits, ~0.5 Pen
Plenty of options.
Other flyers, flying MCs and flakk missiles but the Chaos book doesn't...
Oh. Oh...
Exactly. Im not seeing a lack of ability to deal with flyers. Ive seen this several times though so id like to know exactly why those are not valid...
NOTE: my use of the word "powergamer" is not meant as a derrogatory or inflammatory word used in a negative context. It is used to describe a type of player that uses power builds
Some questions, for those who have a copy:
Do sorcerers get any new toys to play with?
Canthey stand up to Librarians now?
Was the rumour about a Chaos psychic hood true?
As a Thousand Sons player, can I make a 'sorcerer-lord' or do I still have to choose between a Lord and a 2-wound sorcerer?
MiyamatoMusashi on the timeline mistake in The Outcast Dead:
And this is an issue why? Bikers can't take terminator armor and that still puts a nurgle lord biker above the other lords.
Compare the cost to the last book...The price for a ML 3 sorcerer is just absurd.
However, I am happy about the options the characters can have. Sorcerers with a forceweapon and dualwielding a power weapon in terminator armour is rather cool.
kAnd at the same time, none of the none-HQ models have more options then what comes in the kit. Massive fail.
Sorcerors got a lot cheaper, and a higher mastery level than their Vanilla counterparts. They're more psychic-heavy. They have a lot of options for wargear (like Termi Armour + Force Sword + Chainfist + AP3 Torrent Flamer).
Since they will be higher than almost every normal psyker, they will get a 4+ Deny the Witch for their unit, but otherwise no Hood.
No Sorceror-Lord.. stuck with 2 Wounds. You could counts as Huron if you like his Wargear, since he gets a random power.
Not much that's sorcerer specific.
They always could, couldn't they? They now have the same profile as a Librarian, but can be (MUCH) better psykers than Librarians, and can get a 4+ or 5+ Invulnerable save from the wargear list without Terminator armour. 3+ with Mark of Tzeentch, and it doesn't take up a hand like a storm shield does. So I would say they could more than stand up to Librarians, yes. The Tzeentch psychic powers are of dubious usefulness but you're only obliged to take one of them, and now get Biomancy instead of Telekinesis from the rulebook, which is a big step up.
No. Your psychic defense is a Mastery Level 3 psyker who is probably going to get a 4+ Deny the Witch. That's it.
No psychic Chaos Lords.
Last edited by Bubble Ghost; 08-10-2012 at 00:33.
Idiots... nothing can live forever.
I was referring to the lack of psychic defence, but I guess Deny The Witch Evens the odds for everyone. 4+ psychic hood equivalent is good enough for me, 3+ inv save...even better!
Could you elaborate on the lukewarm description of Tzeentch powers? I was never a fan of Bolt of Change (preferred wind of change) anyway.
MiyamatoMusashi on the timeline mistake in The Outcast Dead:
The Primaris Power is a randomish anti-horde power.
#1 - Gives a boon roll to a nearby character (including self), but they may take a wound from it.
#2 - 18" Beam S8 AP1, 2d6" explosions from vehicles
#3 - Wind of Chaos, but it's Warp Charge 2
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