They were however very advanced high-tech spears and javelins, not so much the kind of pole-arms you're used to, but energy/laser/power/phase spears that skewered through reality to get at enemies in cover, or mind-seeking laser-guided warp-travelling javelins with dark-matter implosion warheads. Or something like that. They also had the support of early wraith-constructs and the Talismans of Vaul.Originally Posted by Poseidal
That's fine believe that if you wish. It does not change:
So by your own ideas of what counts as technonlogy the Necrontyr were still superior. The Old Ones just a faster means of transportation.
I'm not sure they would have had high tech spears at the beginning. I get the impression the Eldar were young during the Necron domination, which was after they did the bio transference. They likely developed from primitive savages to a space-faring race during the time of the conflict. They would have been used by their 'allies' in the old ones early on but eventually developed over time.
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According to Inquisitor Horst recounting the tale of how the Eldar fought against the Void Dragon during the War in Heaven - 'These events occured aeons before the Eldar had mastered such things [plasma weaponry]. They fought with swords, spears and their own twisted version of faith. And it was found wanting' ('The Cripple and the Dragon' in 'Translations of Pretinent Eldar Mythic Cycles', in White Dwarf 273, pg.29).
Of course, they 'cheated' somewhat in the account, with their god(s) granting them access to the Talismans of Vaul, Swords of Khaine, and [presumed] wraith technology.
The Eldar didn't spend the whole of the War in Heaven with such a technology level though - the description of Zapennec (Codex: Necrons (5th ed.), pg.16) shows that the Eldar had a sizeable fleet towards the end of the War, and 'Kal Jericho: Above and Beyond' in Warhammer Monthly #67 features a picture of War in Heaven -era Eldar wearing armour and wielding weapons which don't look too dissimilar to 'present day' kit (although the image might not be accurate; it could be Inquisitor Orechiel's imaginings of the scene).
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Got a picture of that by any chance?
As a matter of fact, I do.
From Warhammer Monthly #67
(I don't know if the cropped version will make them any clearer)
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The concept of barbarians at the gates might be fitting, but note that barbarians aren't always savages. The ones who were about to invade Rome were quite civilized, it's just that the Roman depicted them as savages.
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True but they had an "Inferior1" civilization. Except for maybe Carthage and Greece.
1: By "inferior" I mean less advanced technology, socially, culturally and application of knowledge. For example having the knowledge of how to build a paved road is worthless unless you actually make paved roads. At least at some point.
Which is why after the fall of Rome. The other cultures were unable to continue the advancements that Rome had. Literacy rate dropped to almost nothing, the construct all but stopped and the huge empire split apart (Just looking at the western empire). Bad leadership already had The Roman Empire falling apart.
It's quite well established and common knowledge that the Necrontyr were masters of the immaterium (i.e. technology), the Old Ones were masters of the matterium (i.e. psychics), and the Eldar are somewhat in between.
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Don't you mean the other way round? Inmaterium=psychics and "Materium"=technology?
Yes, yes I do.
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which brings me back to the likeness with newtonian physics and relativistic physics.
And the Necrontyr was still had superior "Technology".
I don't really like the separation of the two like that. The Warp is a naturally occurring phenomenon in the 40k universe, and is a pretty unified thing. I like that Mat Ward made the Necrons based around it more, relying on sleeper ships but the scale having a large empire makes no sense, when communication would take 1000 or so years when they are far apart; separate enclaves would have made more sense then.
Actually, if the Necrons (before the Burning one taught them Dolmen gates) used something like the Tau did from reverse engineering something a sleeper ship found to expand, that would be cool (with a sort of echoing impact).
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