Totally Awesome List of Daemons Counters Needed

[NitrosOkay]

Since when are you allowed to take 27 flamers? Sounds like somebody cheated

Maximum unit size 9. Takes one elites selection.


They were always jump infantry, look at your nearest Daemons codex.

[Nurgling Chieftain]

Flamers were jump infantry before the update. Bad thing to be caught off-guard by, for sure. Shooting them with storm bolters at 22"-24" range is a decent bet, and maybe achievable if you've got warp quake around.

[CrownAxe]

Well, Yeah, I am a perfectionist and I hate being wrong...

Meaning I did all things a typical player would have done, accept know a few things that caught me by surprise. Like the flamers being jump infantry now, which caused me to move up expecting them to move only six inches and shoot. You should have seen me when the guy strectched the ruler 12 inches. I said, "what are you doing." He said moving my jump infantry. I responded, 'they are not jump infantry if I recall." He said, "the Daemon WD update made them jump infantry now."

They've been jump infantry the entire time, well before the update.

Also @d6juggernaut, you've always been able to take units of 9 flamers just no ever did it until the update.

[d6juggernaut]

Maximum unit size 9. Takes one elites selection.

Oh dear, that's....insane...

Then they almost have no weakness then, since overwatch will ruin whatever is charging them. The only way to get rid of them reliably is to waste their overwatch with a sacrificial unit before charging with the main force. But for elite armies with no expendable troops, this can still be costly.

[Mchagen]

Oh dear, that's....insane...

Then they almost have no weakness then, since overwatch will ruin whatever is charging them. The only way to get rid of them reliably is to waste their overwatch with a sacrificial unit before charging with the main force. But for elite armies with no expendable troops, this can still be costly.

Their weakness is shooting. This is generalized for any army, not necessarily just grey knights. Best counter to mass flamers is stay in transports until they burn their flame shots on the vehicles. Then shoot them down with the survivors. It's better to lose a 40 point rhino or 45 point razorback than a 200 point grey knight squad. Whenever I see a high-expense unit outside of its transport or a unit deployed on the table without a transport I start licking my chops at the juicy flamer target.

Mass vehicle spam is still fairly difficult for daemons to take out because most of their best anti-tank is from close combat. They don't have enough shooting to make a difference before the assault. A few bolts on heralds isn't significant. Whenever mine actually manage to destroy a vehicle in a couple of turns (even a rhino) I'm surprised. If flamers are being used in this role, they're not being used to their full potential and that's exactly what you want.

[kieranhoare]

Since when are you allowed to take 27 flamers? Sounds like somebody cheated

you can take up to 3 squads of 3-12 models, so that would probably be 3 units of 9 flamers as elite, sounds pretty expensive point wise tho

[CrownAxe]

you can take up to 3 squads of 3-12 models, so that would probably be 3 units of 9 flamers as elite, sounds pretty expensive point wise tho

9 flamers is actually pretty cheap at 207 points

[Enigma6]

I concur that the biggest mistakes were castling and being outside of transports.

Spreading around a few warp quake units would give a much wider control of deep strike and less juicy targets packed tight for flaming.

Being embarked also gives you one extra turn of grace before the flamers can start melting your troops.

Unfortunately, even with these tactics, shifting flamers and screamers will still require a lot of effort and losses on your part when they are spammed in these quantities.

Transports are not perfect protection as they can double team flamers and screamers using their speed. Flamers knock out the transport and screamers cream the contents. This way they can knock out 3 units + transports a turn without you being able to do much about it.

[Infidel]

If you think that list is bad, see what happens when he drops a few thing here and there and adds Fateweaver.

[vladsimpaler]

WOW, I did not know I came off as such, thanks for the critiques and observations of my mindset. You guys can smell hidden arrogance a mile away LOL

It stems from the fact that you're a Grey Knights player asking how to counter a Daemons list which is hilarious in and of itself. Ever heard of the term "schadenfreude"?

[Infidel]

The cries of GK in torment sustains me....

[rocdocta]

The cries of GK in torment sustains me....

+1 to that lol