chaos anti tank

[kieranhoare]

hi, im struggling to find a good anti tank unit for reasonable price in the new codex, can someone please help out this NoOb lol, im take a squad of havocs with aa missile launchers, about 160, just a rough guess, i dont have my codex on me atm, and my pdf viewer is frozen for an on the go look, it seems a bit expensive, are there any better anti tank units, i added the missiles for the extra punch btw

[Nicho]

A predator with lascannons would be good i think

[Kaelarr]

A predator with Autocannon and lascannon sponsons is an absolute steal at 115 points, Havocs with autocannons are cheap as chips, Obliterators are still great, small units of terminators with combi meltas to deep strike. Bikes with meltaguns, Raptors with meltaguns both quick and effective, Vindicator.

All the above are good units and very reasonably priced points wise, all are good at cracking tanks.

[kieranhoare]

omg, im such a derp, i cant believe i missed how cheap they are, thanks mate

[kieranhoare]

A predator with Autocannon and lascannon sponsons is an absolute steal at 115 points, Havocs with autocannons are cheap as chips, Obliterators are still great, small units of terminators with combi meltas to deep strike. Bikes with meltaguns, Raptors with meltaguns both quick and effective, Vindicator.

All the above are good units and very reasonably priced points wise, all are good at cracking tanks.

haha, thanks alot, im such an idiot when it comes to chaos, haha, thanks also

[KharnTheBetrayer01]

For the Chaos Codex, most things are pretty damn expensive for what they do. In part, I think, to offset the numbers advantage you can get by taking Cultists. So expect many of your options to cost a little more than they would in other codexs...codecies? Other army books.

That said, depending on how quickly you want rid of them, a suicide squad or two of Raptors could be fun. Drop them in behind enemy lines with a melta or two and have at it.They're unlikely to last the turn, but they might not need to.

And then of course there are always the sweethearts of the book, the Chaos Bikers. Same principle, but because they can take advantage of cover quicker while they're on the board, they don't need to worry so much about being popped as quickly.

My personal preference is going to be to try a Huron/Kharn Alliance, with Huron Infiltrating Kharn and a squad of..something, haven't decided yet. But if you're looking for a cheap option, that's probably not for you.

And of course there's always Huron and his infiltrating infantry, if that tickles you

[kieranhoare]

huron infiltrates infantry, i think i've missed something, no wonder i fail at anti tank, cant even get hq properly lol

[Infidel]

Havocs are also quite alright. Autocannon spam for 23pt a piece, or 24 with Veterans which allows you to reroll 1s on hits and wounds is pretty mean, seeing as there'll never be a shortage of marines to fight.

[Allornone]

Veterans gives Hatred, not Preferred Enemy. It allows the reroll only in combat.

[Infidel]

Veterans gives Hatred, not Preferred Enemy. It allows the reroll only in combat.

I've been lied to. Thanks for the correction.

[madden]

Havoks with special wepons, 4meltas and a combi is around 120 and you can add extra bodies, raptors , bikes, oblits there's no shortage of anti tank all FoC choices have access to melta of one type or another. Or you could just go for a maulerfiend with magma cutters fast and deadly to vehicles.

[pronto the 2nd]

isnt the forge fiend and mauler fiend regarded a good AT?

[Gaargod]

That's... a different question.

The forgefiend, clocking in at 175+, represents a much bigger investment that, say, an annihilator pred or autocannon havocs. It does have a lot of firepower (altho BS3 sucks, it still gets statistically more hits than Psyfleman dread) with a good range. It's also reasonably survivable for an Av12 vehicle.
It has its good points but it is not cheap AT. If you have a lot of mech, it's going to do much better due to target saturation. If you don't have much, it's not worth it.

The Maulerfiend is of course a lot cheaper, and can start being directly compared to other cheap AT. It's very, very fast and generally speaking will kill most things it touches (note: Dreadnoughts with PFs are an exception! As are any reasonably cheap MCs with a good few attacks). Interestingly, it's slightly less vulnerable to target saturation problems - namely, it's going at full speed towards the enemy anyways, and it's generally a priority target regardless. Of course, if you're all meched up, then his non AT guns will have nothing to do that turn...

[The_Klobb_Maniac]

Indeed: [Oblits, Havocs, Preds]++
[Plasma + Melta Spam]++

I'll be trying out MSU raptors again, but I have low hopes. We'll see..

[Meriwether]

The heldrake is also good (but not utterly fantastic) AT, and can be both AT and anti-infantry in the same turn by vector striking a vehicle (by moving 35.9" or less) and then flaming something behind it. (Vector strike at S7? Yes, please!)

[Kevlar]

Termicide, Melta bikers, or melta marines in rhinos are your go to anti AV-14.

I am warming up to the flying Slaanesh prince as well with rending. With that mace he can be a monster.

As for anti-transport I'll probably go with missile havocs since they are flexible with skyfire. Maybe add a quad gun to them to double their effectiveness without using an addtional FOC slot. Preds are cheap enough. The forgefiend is a beast but kind of close ranged.

[Shamana]

Has anyone tried using lascannon havoks? I've noticed that they have the cheapest lascannons of all devastator variants, on top of already costing less. The basic 5 with 4 lascannons cost just over 150 points. Granted, they do compete with the fairly cheap (in comparison to other codices) triple-LC predator, and also have cheap autocannons, but 4 S9 AP2 shots can be pretty effective, too. I think point for point they are actually more efficient than a LC predator.

Actually, is there any point to taking an AC/LC predator with Chaos? The cost of the LC upgrade is lower than in other codices, it seemed like an obvious choice to me.

[The_Klobb_Maniac]

Preds don't get killed by big shootas. I'd say that's an argument :P.

[Meriwether]

...and Havocs don't get one-shotted by a lascannon... So there's a bit of a tradeoff.

[kieranhoare]

i'd like to try 4 winged daemon princes, 6 helldrakes, 3 maulerfiends and 3 forgefiends for fun, shame i dont have a job as im a student lol